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More like "the case against state-guaranteed survival by someone who never experienced poverty". UBI is not about leisure, ideology and long disproved communist

More like "the case against state-guaranteed survival by someone who never experienced poverty". UBI is not about leisure, ideology and long disproved communist utopias. UBI is about asking from the state - that forcefully extracts work from us in the form of taxes - the guarantee of our survival. Our welfare systems will never solve the kind of poverty that pushes people to sleep under bridges. Our unions will never give the work force 100% occupation. It's easy to dream about revolutions and class warfare when you don't have to worry about next month's rent, but we're not talking about left vs. right here. We're talking about a paradigm shift in the human society: no longer having to worry about food and shelter on the sole basis of being human. That's the kind of society I want to experience in my life time and I don't care who wins ideological points over it.

zghst 11y ago
No one really has to worry about food in our society with the plethora of welfare programs, churches, food banks, etc, as well as the many people such as myself who will routinely give the needy food or money. Shelter is tricky, however the majority of people have shelter security by proxy of family or friends. It is only recently that the proxy has been weakened because of the crumbling relationships and social structures. We are trying so hard to solve problems we have created. Sad we are trending toward valuing benevolent strangers than the network of those you know. What is so wrong with our society that we cannot stick together in tough times? We must be a very sick society to do all these mental gymnastics to treat our symptoms of deep cultural flaws.
- quadrangle 11y ago
  You're mistaken in your assertions about our reality. Go watch the documentary "A Place At The Table"
- stefantalpalaru 11y ago
  > No one really has to worry about food in our society with the plethora of welfare programs, churches, food banks, etc You'd think so, but no. There are a limited number of places at those tables and always less than the number of people in need of food in an Italy where the biggest problem in agriculture is overproduction. Then there's the little detail of catholic organizations like Caritas being used by the state to distribute food from EU sources. You don't want to deal with those that fucked you when you were a wee lad? Guess you're dining in a dumpster. Again. > the majority of people have shelter security by proxy of family or friends We're talking about the less fortunate minority here. Does the state need to guarantee their survival or not?

zghst 11y ago

No one really has to worry about food in our society with the plethora of welfare programs, churches, food banks, etc, as well as the many people such as myself who will routinely give the needy food or money. Shelter is tricky, however the majority of people have shelter security by proxy of family or friends. It is only recently that the proxy has been weakened because of the crumbling relationships and social structures. We are trying so hard to solve problems we have created. Sad we are trending toward valuing benevolent strangers than the network of those you know. What is so wrong with our society that we cannot stick together in tough times? We must be a very sick society to do all these mental gymnastics to treat our symptoms of deep cultural flaws.

quadrangle 11y ago
You're mistaken in your assertions about our reality. Go watch the documentary "A Place At The Table"
stefantalpalaru 11y ago
> No one really has to worry about food in our society with the plethora of welfare programs, churches, food banks, etc You'd think so, but no. There are a limited number of places at those tables and always less than the number of people in need of food in an Italy where the biggest problem in agriculture is overproduction. Then there's the little detail of catholic organizations like Caritas being used by the state to distribute food from EU sources. You don't want to deal with those that fucked you when you were a wee lad? Guess you're dining in a dumpster. Again. > the majority of people have shelter security by proxy of family or friends We're talking about the less fortunate minority here. Does the state need to guarantee their survival or not?