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> "formal education makes you better" Any kind of education (unless it's a cargo cult education) makes you better, that's the entire point of it. > "better" t

by sklogic 11y ago

> "formal education makes you better" Any kind of education (unless it's a cargo cult education) makes you better, that's the entire point of it. > "better" than a person who knows a lot about the history of, say, American Football or ice hockey. Sports are good for education - and they're not practical and not earnings-oriented. How many of those who had a passion for sport in school went into a professional sport? I am not opposing sport, STEM, music, arts, whatever else - I'm opposing an emphasis on any "practical skills" in general.

lsc 11y ago
I... don't really understand how sports are good for education. I mean, I understand why exercise is good for education, but following sports doesn't involve exercise. >I am not opposing sport, STEM, music, arts, whatever else - I'm opposing an emphasis on any "practical skills" in general. So what standard do you have for "better"? Do you have any standard for "better" or "good"? would memorizing random strings of numbers, then, make a person "better"?
- sklogic 11y ago
  Any systematic excercise of a willpower is good. Education, even in its most boring and irrelevant forms, is a willpower excercise and therefore is making one a better person - more resilient, more self-reliant, more capable of further educating themselves. That very role of education I was talking about is preserving the accumulated knowledge of our civilisation. As it grows, an amount of general education everybody must withstand grow too. And instead there is a disgusting trend of simplification. I would prefer to see a civilisation of polymaths rather than a civilisation of narrowly trained craftsmen.
  - lsc 11y ago
    >I would prefer to see a civilisation of polymaths rather than a civilisation of narrowly trained craftsmen. If you think that doing things gives you a more narrow education than taking classes... I suggest you spend more time with people who do things.
    - sklogic 11y ago
      > If you think that doing things gives you a more narrow education than taking classes... I know it first hand. > I suggest you spend more time with people who do things. I do things. I know how narrow specialisation is and how it tends to narrow further with experience.
      - lsc 11y ago
        Yeah, right now, You are saying "I believe X" and I'm saying "I believe Y" where X and Y are mutually incompatible, but largely subjective opinions. My original point, that you sound like an elitist when you start going on about how much better education makes you in impossible ways, still stands. If you want to sound that way, it's fine.
        sklogic 11y ago
        I do not believe. I rely on data. And there is a wealth of data on an importance of willpower, for example. As well as on perils of specialisation.

by sklogic 11y ago

lsc 11y ago

I... don't really understand how sports are good for education. I mean, I understand why exercise is good for education, but following sports doesn't involve exercise. >I am not opposing sport, STEM, music, arts, whatever else - I'm opposing an emphasis on any "practical skills" in general. So what standard do you have for "better"? Do you have any standard for "better" or "good"? would memorizing random strings of numbers, then, make a person "better"?

sklogic 11y ago
Any systematic excercise of a willpower is good. Education, even in its most boring and irrelevant forms, is a willpower excercise and therefore is making one a better person - more resilient, more self-reliant, more capable of further educating themselves. That very role of education I was talking about is preserving the accumulated knowledge of our civilisation. As it grows, an amount of general education everybody must withstand grow too. And instead there is a disgusting trend of simplification. I would prefer to see a civilisation of polymaths rather than a civilisation of narrowly trained craftsmen.
- lsc 11y ago
  >I would prefer to see a civilisation of polymaths rather than a civilisation of narrowly trained craftsmen. If you think that doing things gives you a more narrow education than taking classes... I suggest you spend more time with people who do things.
  - sklogic 11y ago
    > If you think that doing things gives you a more narrow education than taking classes... I know it first hand. > I suggest you spend more time with people who do things. I do things. I know how narrow specialisation is and how it tends to narrow further with experience.
    - lsc 11y ago
      Yeah, right now, You are saying "I believe X" and I'm saying "I believe Y" where X and Y are mutually incompatible, but largely subjective opinions. My original point, that you sound like an elitist when you start going on about how much better education makes you in impossible ways, still stands. If you want to sound that way, it's fine.
      - sklogic 11y ago
        I do not believe. I rely on data. And there is a wealth of data on an importance of willpower, for example. As well as on perils of specialisation.