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Are you forgetting about PyQt and PySide? If they don't meet the requirements for "good, simple, modern, cross-platform GUI library," then I'm hard pressed to

Are you forgetting about PyQt and PySide? If they don't meet the requirements for "good, simple, modern, cross-platform GUI library," then I'm hard pressed to think of a library or binding for any language that will. I guess I could see a sticking point on "simple" but IMO it's significantly easier to create a GUI using PyQt than it would be to mess with web servers and HTML to create a web based UI.

sevensor 11y ago
Exactly the opposite --- I work with Qt in Python, and I've used both PyQt and PySide. I assure you it's not simple. Not that that's bad. It's a flexible and powerful tool. But using it doesn't feel like Python. It feels like C++ with Python syntax. No surprise, since Qt is written in C++. You've got a point in that web-based UIs aren't any simpler. Jupyter is a project of impressive sophistication and hard work by all involved. Really what I'm complaining about is that the move toward web-based UI has starved native GUI toolkits of interest.
- jlarocco 11y ago
  > I assure you it's not simple. I have to disagree. I've written GUIs in Qt/C++, PyQt, MFC (a long time ago), Perl/Tk, and even ltk/Common Lisp, and PyQt is the easiest of them all. There's definitely some C++ showing through in spots, but it's well hidden in most situations. > Really what I'm complaining about is that the move toward web-based UI has starved native GUI toolkits of interest. I have to agree with that. Most languages are lucky to have any native GUI toolkit bindings at all.
  - witty_username 11y ago
    IMO PyQt is pretty much like Python; the C++ parts show up in places but otherwise it's WAY simpler than Tk's complexity to do even basic stuff and horrible themeing on Linux. I used Tk a bit once; the Tcl parts show up quite a bit and it's generally very hard to use compared to Qt Designer or any other modern toolkit's tools.

sevensor 11y ago

Exactly the opposite --- I work with Qt in Python, and I've used both PyQt and PySide. I assure you it's not simple. Not that that's bad. It's a flexible and powerful tool. But using it doesn't feel like Python. It feels like C++ with Python syntax. No surprise, since Qt is written in C++. You've got a point in that web-based UIs aren't any simpler. Jupyter is a project of impressive sophistication and hard work by all involved. Really what I'm complaining about is that the move toward web-based UI has starved native GUI toolkits of interest.

jlarocco 11y ago
> I assure you it's not simple. I have to disagree. I've written GUIs in Qt/C++, PyQt, MFC (a long time ago), Perl/Tk, and even ltk/Common Lisp, and PyQt is the easiest of them all. There's definitely some C++ showing through in spots, but it's well hidden in most situations. > Really what I'm complaining about is that the move toward web-based UI has starved native GUI toolkits of interest. I have to agree with that. Most languages are lucky to have any native GUI toolkit bindings at all.
- witty_username 11y ago
  IMO PyQt is pretty much like Python; the C++ parts show up in places but otherwise it's WAY simpler than Tk's complexity to do even basic stuff and horrible themeing on Linux. I used Tk a bit once; the Tcl parts show up quite a bit and it's generally very hard to use compared to Qt Designer or any other modern toolkit's tools.