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I have no reason to believe that the pediatrician hand picked specifically 5 drawings of each set that were not representative of the overall result. > The kid

by dudul 11y ago

I have no reason to believe that the pediatrician hand picked specifically 5 drawings of each set that were not representative of the overall result. > The kids who weren't watching TV had to be doing something Yes, like talk to people, play with their hands, run outside, draw, etc. Drawings are actually a great indicator of a kid's development. > there certainly is a positive effect on intelligence. I'd know about 1/10 of what I know now if I hadn't discovered Wikipedia when I was 14. Intelligence is not general culture. "knowing things" is not the same as being intelligent. Plus, using screens when you are 14 is not the same as when you are 2 or even 5.

smt88 11y ago
> I have no reason to believe that the pediatrician hand picked specifically 5 drawings of each set that were not representative of the overall result. That pediatrician likely has the same bias as you, which is that you don't like screens and think they're bad. I doubt s/he's undertake this study without that bias. There's also a huge incentive to create and spread studies that show a correlation rather than fail to show anything. It's totally pointless to speculate because we simply don't know what the other almost 2,000 drawings look like. If the rest aren't published somewhere, then the study is very likely BS anyway. > Drawings are actually a great indicator of a kid's development. Define "development" and show me a study. > Intelligence is not general culture. I can't tell if you're trying to say that "Wikipedia is general culture" (which is only a tiny subset of Wikipedia) or if you're saying that screens cause people to miss out on general culture. Anyway, neither point is true. I'd actually say the opposite is true of the latter point. > "knowing things" is not the same as being intelligent. Plus, using screens when you are 14 is not the same as when you are 2 or even 5. Knowing things isn't the same as being intelligent, but constantly learning new things (and being stimulated) certainly does make you more intelligent. Kids aren't just memorizing facts when they read Wikipedia. They're creating things to discuss with parents, which improves critical thinking. They're seeing trends across history and culture. Wikipedia article's aren't supposed to do this technically, but they often teach math and science concepts directly in the article. And that's not even considering the things on devices that are supposed to make kids more intelligent. Most parents point their kids in those directions. I agree that too much screen time can be a net negative, because it causes emotional issues and eliminates boredom, which has a negative effect on creative processes and anxiety levels. But there is very little science about any of this, at least very little good science.
- dudul 11y ago
  You have some good points. I also think we're talking about 2 vastly different things, you're talking about teenagers reading Wikipedia, I'm talking about toddlers who spend the day in front of the TV. Yes, reading wikipedia is great, just like reading a book. And there are many great things you can do on a screen. I don't hate screens I spend my days on screens for work. Now, this article doesn't talk about wikipedia, it mentions TV shows, video games, social media, etc. Parents who use screens to make their babies fall asleep while it's been shown that using a screen before going to sleep is really bad. Anyway, as I said we're talking about different things, I don't know if you intentionally built a straw man out of my original comment or not but it's clear that we're not on the same topic.

by dudul 11y ago

smt88 11y ago

> I have no reason to believe that the pediatrician hand picked specifically 5 drawings of each set that were not representative of the overall result. That pediatrician likely has the same bias as you, which is that you don't like screens and think they're bad. I doubt s/he's undertake this study without that bias. There's also a huge incentive to create and spread studies that show a correlation rather than fail to show anything. It's totally pointless to speculate because we simply don't know what the other almost 2,000 drawings look like. If the rest aren't published somewhere, then the study is very likely BS anyway. > Drawings are actually a great indicator of a kid's development. Define "development" and show me a study. > Intelligence is not general culture. I can't tell if you're trying to say that "Wikipedia is general culture" (which is only a tiny subset of Wikipedia) or if you're saying that screens cause people to miss out on general culture. Anyway, neither point is true. I'd actually say the opposite is true of the latter point. > "knowing things" is not the same as being intelligent. Plus, using screens when you are 14 is not the same as when you are 2 or even 5. Knowing things isn't the same as being intelligent, but constantly learning new things (and being stimulated) certainly does make you more intelligent. Kids aren't just memorizing facts when they read Wikipedia. They're creating things to discuss with parents, which improves critical thinking. They're seeing trends across history and culture. Wikipedia article's aren't supposed to do this technically, but they often teach math and science concepts directly in the article. And that's not even considering the things on devices that are supposed to make kids more intelligent. Most parents point their kids in those directions. I agree that too much screen time can be a net negative, because it causes emotional issues and eliminates boredom, which has a negative effect on creative processes and anxiety levels. But there is very little science about any of this, at least very little good science.

dudul 11y ago
You have some good points. I also think we're talking about 2 vastly different things, you're talking about teenagers reading Wikipedia, I'm talking about toddlers who spend the day in front of the TV. Yes, reading wikipedia is great, just like reading a book. And there are many great things you can do on a screen. I don't hate screens I spend my days on screens for work. Now, this article doesn't talk about wikipedia, it mentions TV shows, video games, social media, etc. Parents who use screens to make their babies fall asleep while it's been shown that using a screen before going to sleep is really bad. Anyway, as I said we're talking about different things, I don't know if you intentionally built a straw man out of my original comment or not but it's clear that we're not on the same topic.