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Let's not forget that while the official excuse for the closed market was to (somehow) foster the country's industry, the real reason was that Brazil was a dict

by zorked 11y ago

Let's not forget that while the official excuse for the closed market was to (somehow) foster the country's industry, the real reason was that Brazil was a dictatorship and the dictator was giving control of a large booming industry to some of his best friends and holding the country hostage. It's 100% corruption. There wasn't even a law saying what you could or could not import, you would just get your imports confiscated if you happened not to be in the group of friends of the military.

forinti 11y ago
I don't believe this to be true. There was a genuine desire to foster a Brazilian IT industry. And it did partially succeed. They just didn't invest enough in education and to widen the market (make them cheaper). In the end, they thought that selling oranges to the US was more important (as the Unitron case shows).
- gcb0 11y ago
  that's extremely naive. btw the same still happens with cars. car manufacturers are very profitable to corrupt people in the government, so importing a car is pretty much impossible. taxes are absurd and the law is so insane that nobody can follow it. most importers already included a bribe fee. and i am taking about Brazil today, not in the 60s
  - sanoli 11y ago
    What are you talking about? "Importing a car is pretty much impossible"?!?! I walked around São Paulo last week on a tuesday, and I saw a bunch of BMWs, a bunch of Land Rovers, a bunch of Volvos, a bunch of Audis etc. And I'm talking about new cars, 5 years or newer. Importing a car is actually simple today. You just pay the import taxes, deal with the bureaucracy, and you got yourself a legal, corruption-free if you want it to be, import car dealership. I agree completely that the taxes are very high, and the bureacracy is complicated, but please don't exaggerate things.
    - gcb0 11y ago
      all those brands have official brand imports. they assemble the last bolts in Manaus and avoid paying taxes. it's mostly wrong according to the law but they know who to pay. Harley does the same. try to import any not "made in Manaus"
      - sanoli 11y ago
        C'mon, first show me where where these automakers are breaking the law, and also where it is these days where you can't import a car without bribing someone. Here are some stories by reputable journalists showing how expensive and bureaucratic it is to import a car by yourself if you want to, yet also how completely legal it is: http://carros.uol.com.br/noticias/redacao/2014/05/08/burocracia-dificulta-importar-carro-mas-preco-final-pode-compensar.htm http://carros.uol.com.br/noticias/redacao/2014/05/08/burocra... http://economia.terra.com.br/carros-motos/importar-carro-por-conta-propria-pode-ser-30-mais-barato,168d6037a18da310VgnCLD200000bbcceb0aRCRD.html http://economia.terra.com.br/carros-motos/importar-carro-por... http://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/automoveis/importar-traz-exclusividade-mas-requer-paciencia-ecc6x59lrub8ynmsbmawjpt8u http://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/automoveis/importar-traz-excl...

by zorked 11y ago

forinti 11y ago

I don't believe this to be true. There was a genuine desire to foster a Brazilian IT industry. And it did partially succeed. They just didn't invest enough in education and to widen the market (make them cheaper). In the end, they thought that selling oranges to the US was more important (as the Unitron case shows).

gcb0 11y ago
that's extremely naive. btw the same still happens with cars. car manufacturers are very profitable to corrupt people in the government, so importing a car is pretty much impossible. taxes are absurd and the law is so insane that nobody can follow it. most importers already included a bribe fee. and i am taking about Brazil today, not in the 60s
- sanoli 11y ago
  What are you talking about? "Importing a car is pretty much impossible"?!?! I walked around São Paulo last week on a tuesday, and I saw a bunch of BMWs, a bunch of Land Rovers, a bunch of Volvos, a bunch of Audis etc. And I'm talking about new cars, 5 years or newer. Importing a car is actually simple today. You just pay the import taxes, deal with the bureaucracy, and you got yourself a legal, corruption-free if you want it to be, import car dealership. I agree completely that the taxes are very high, and the bureacracy is complicated, but please don't exaggerate things.
  - gcb0 11y ago
    all those brands have official brand imports. they assemble the last bolts in Manaus and avoid paying taxes. it's mostly wrong according to the law but they know who to pay. Harley does the same. try to import any not "made in Manaus"
    - sanoli 11y ago
      C'mon, first show me where where these automakers are breaking the law, and also where it is these days where you can't import a car without bribing someone. Here are some stories by reputable journalists showing how expensive and bureaucratic it is to import a car by yourself if you want to, yet also how completely legal it is: http://carros.uol.com.br/noticias/redacao/2014/05/08/burocracia-dificulta-importar-carro-mas-preco-final-pode-compensar.htm http://carros.uol.com.br/noticias/redacao/2014/05/08/burocra... http://economia.terra.com.br/carros-motos/importar-carro-por-conta-propria-pode-ser-30-mais-barato,168d6037a18da310VgnCLD200000bbcceb0aRCRD.html http://economia.terra.com.br/carros-motos/importar-carro-por... http://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/automoveis/importar-traz-exclusividade-mas-requer-paciencia-ecc6x59lrub8ynmsbmawjpt8u http://www.gazetadopovo.com.br/automoveis/importar-traz-excl...