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“kdbus is not dead” asserts Lennart Poettering at a systemd conference

31 points by JdeBP 11y ago

JdeBP 11y ago
Strictly speaking, he said "Kdbus ist nich tot". For some of the architectural chicken-and-egg-at-shutdown-and-startup reasons that systemd developers need its API not to be dependent from a user-space subsystem: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10491489 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10491489 The article points to the recent announcement that kdbus has been pulled from Fedora: * http://lwn.net/Articles/663062/ http://lwn.net/Articles/663062/
- gillianseed 11y ago
  The kdbus devs did the right thing in asking for it to be removed from Fedora while they instead rethink the whole design (which by all accounts seemed very flawed).
- avar 11y ago
  > Strictly speaking, he said "Kdbus ist nich tot" Is there actually a subtle translation difference that I'm missing, or is this nitpicking on the order of "Ceasar didn't say 'you, too, Brutus?', the English language didn't even exist at the time!"?
  - JdeBP 11y ago
    Neither one, of course. It's simply pointing out that the headline here translates the German quote of the original.
  - Ao7bei3s 11y ago
    There is no subtle difference (source: native german speaker.), however: "nich" might be either a typo by JdeBP, or a pronunciation respelling of a badly (dialectally) pronounced "nicht" (though then I'd also have expected "is" instead of "ist"), but either way it makes no semantic difference... ...so JdeBP probably meant the language. However the HN article title didn't say "says" but "asserts", which makes it independent of the language.
    - avar 11y ago
      It looks like the headline technically violates the HN guidelines[1], unless we consider "languages that are not English" to be "misleading or linkbait" :) What might be getting lost in translation here is that in English language news it's customary to use "says" when the quote is actually a translation, without noting that it is. See e.g. news articles about world leaders ("Putin says Y") that don't note that he actually said X in Russian, it was just translated into Y. Now I'm curious, is it customary to note that such quotes are translated in German language news? 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - Ao7bei3s 11y ago
        > is it customary to note that such quotes are translated in German language news? No. (But that's ok, because it's unsurprising that foreign politicians don't speak in german.) (Additions and deletions are often marked with [foo] and [...], just as in english news.)
comex 11y ago
Google Translate: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fgolem.de%2Fnews%2Fsystemd-konferenz-kdbus-ist-nicht-tot-1511-117313.html&edit-text= https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&pr...
vezzy-fnord 11y ago
I don't recall anyone ever claiming it's dead. It has undergone delays and tribulations, however. [1] [2] [1] https://lwn.net/Articles/640357/ https://lwn.net/Articles/640357/ [2] https://lwn.net/Articles/641275/ https://lwn.net/Articles/641275/
- amyjess 11y ago
  Another delay and tribulation that came up last week: http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-Drops-KDBUS http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-Drops-... For quite a while, the systemd/kdbus developers have been trying to pull an end-run around mainline by getting distributions to include it in their kernels. The idea was "even if mainline rejects it, we'll still get kdbus in". And now suddenly they changed their mind and asked Fedora to yank it. That may not mean kdbus is dead, but it does mean it's on the back burner and isn't going to be used for quite a while.
  - vezzy-fnord 11y ago
    A cause for celebration.

31 points by JdeBP 11y ago

JdeBP 11y ago

Strictly speaking, he said "Kdbus ist nich tot". For some of the architectural chicken-and-egg-at-shutdown-and-startup reasons that systemd developers need its API not to be dependent from a user-space subsystem: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10491489 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10491489 The article points to the recent announcement that kdbus has been pulled from Fedora: * http://lwn.net/Articles/663062/ http://lwn.net/Articles/663062/

gillianseed 11y ago
The kdbus devs did the right thing in asking for it to be removed from Fedora while they instead rethink the whole design (which by all accounts seemed very flawed).
avar 11y ago
> Strictly speaking, he said "Kdbus ist nich tot" Is there actually a subtle translation difference that I'm missing, or is this nitpicking on the order of "Ceasar didn't say 'you, too, Brutus?', the English language didn't even exist at the time!"?
- JdeBP 11y ago
  Neither one, of course. It's simply pointing out that the headline here translates the German quote of the original.
- Ao7bei3s 11y ago
  There is no subtle difference (source: native german speaker.), however: "nich" might be either a typo by JdeBP, or a pronunciation respelling of a badly (dialectally) pronounced "nicht" (though then I'd also have expected "is" instead of "ist"), but either way it makes no semantic difference... ...so JdeBP probably meant the language. However the HN article title didn't say "says" but "asserts", which makes it independent of the language.
  - avar 11y ago
    It looks like the headline technically violates the HN guidelines[1], unless we consider "languages that are not English" to be "misleading or linkbait" :) What might be getting lost in translation here is that in English language news it's customary to use "says" when the quote is actually a translation, without noting that it is. See e.g. news articles about world leaders ("Putin says Y") that don't note that he actually said X in Russian, it was just translated into Y. Now I'm curious, is it customary to note that such quotes are translated in German language news? 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - Ao7bei3s 11y ago
      > is it customary to note that such quotes are translated in German language news? No. (But that's ok, because it's unsurprising that foreign politicians don't speak in german.) (Additions and deletions are often marked with [foo] and [...], just as in english news.)

comex 11y ago

Google Translate: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fgolem.de%2Fnews%2Fsystemd-konferenz-kdbus-ist-nicht-tot-1511-117313.html&edit-text= https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&pr...

vezzy-fnord 11y ago

I don't recall anyone ever claiming it's dead. It has undergone delays and tribulations, however. [1] [2] [1] https://lwn.net/Articles/640357/ https://lwn.net/Articles/640357/ [2] https://lwn.net/Articles/641275/ https://lwn.net/Articles/641275/

amyjess 11y ago
Another delay and tribulation that came up last week: http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-Drops-KDBUS http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-Drops-... For quite a while, the systemd/kdbus developers have been trying to pull an end-run around mainline by getting distributions to include it in their kernels. The idea was "even if mainline rejects it, we'll still get kdbus in". And now suddenly they changed their mind and asked Fedora to yank it. That may not mean kdbus is dead, but it does mean it's on the back burner and isn't going to be used for quite a while.
- vezzy-fnord 11y ago
  A cause for celebration.