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I do not feel this belongs on Hacker News?

by codinghorror 11y ago

de_Selby 11y ago
Well I thought it might generate some interesting discussion on what alternative revenue models might work.
- Puts 11y ago
  The interesting question then is why do we have to find another model? Why are people so hell bent on creating content online? If the business apparently does not work, why not trying to make and sell flowerpots instead?
  - Angostura 11y ago
    Because the opportunity is there to develop a business that scales hugely - if model is sustainable. How many flower pots can you make? How many people might view your Youtube video?
  - johncolanduoni 11y ago
    Well, the business works. Like a polluting industry, it still makes money (and will therefore attract investment).
  - stevetrewick 11y ago
    The business - using click bait headlines and outrage porn to generate ad revenue - does (or can, at least) work. TFA is complaining that this business model incentivises shitty content that makes people cross. Incidentally, this is not a new or unexpected phenomenon, 'traditional' media marketing bods have understood the principle for decades - the noisier a channel gets the louder/shriller you have to shout to get people's attention.
zamalek 11y ago
I've been involved in some discussion about these sort of topics (overzealous egalitarianism) on HN. It seems as though there is an audience for it. Nowadays HN seems to discuss "the weather of the internet" as much as it discusses startups.
johncolanduoni 11y ago
I think the author made somewhat of a mistake in picking the article to point at that he did, if his goal was to start a real conversation. Bringing sexism into the fold will make people assume that this article is based on refuting sexism, which is going to create controversy that none of the actual points he made in the article need. That said, I feel at least the latter 90% of the article is on-topic for HN.
Mandatum 11y ago
I agree. The fact we're even discussing this is kind of ridiculous.
colinbartlett 11y ago
Does not belong because you find it offensive? Or simply not relevant? If the latter then I must remind you the Hacker News is not news about hackers but rather news hackers would find interesting. If the article doesn't gratify your intellectual curiosity then simply don't upvote it.
gamesbrainiac 11y ago
Me neither Jeff. Lately, I find myself at a loss as to why I visit this place at all anymore.
mcphage 11y ago
It's an article about the monetization of web content, negative consequences of that system, and possible better alternatives. This is the bread and butter of Hacker News.

I do not feel this belongs on Hacker News?

de_Selby 11y ago

Well I thought it might generate some interesting discussion on what alternative revenue models might work.

Puts 11y ago
The interesting question then is why do we have to find another model? Why are people so hell bent on creating content online? If the business apparently does not work, why not trying to make and sell flowerpots instead?
- Angostura 11y ago
  Because the opportunity is there to develop a business that scales hugely - if model is sustainable. How many flower pots can you make? How many people might view your Youtube video?
- johncolanduoni 11y ago
  Well, the business works. Like a polluting industry, it still makes money (and will therefore attract investment).
- stevetrewick 11y ago
  The business - using click bait headlines and outrage porn to generate ad revenue - does (or can, at least) work. TFA is complaining that this business model incentivises shitty content that makes people cross. Incidentally, this is not a new or unexpected phenomenon, 'traditional' media marketing bods have understood the principle for decades - the noisier a channel gets the louder/shriller you have to shout to get people's attention.

zamalek 11y ago

I've been involved in some discussion about these sort of topics (overzealous egalitarianism) on HN. It seems as though there is an audience for it. Nowadays HN seems to discuss "the weather of the internet" as much as it discusses startups.

johncolanduoni 11y ago

I think the author made somewhat of a mistake in picking the article to point at that he did, if his goal was to start a real conversation. Bringing sexism into the fold will make people assume that this article is based on refuting sexism, which is going to create controversy that none of the actual points he made in the article need. That said, I feel at least the latter 90% of the article is on-topic for HN.

Mandatum 11y ago

I agree. The fact we're even discussing this is kind of ridiculous.

colinbartlett 11y ago

Does not belong because you find it offensive? Or simply not relevant? If the latter then I must remind you the Hacker News is not news about hackers but rather news hackers would find interesting. If the article doesn't gratify your intellectual curiosity then simply don't upvote it.

gamesbrainiac 11y ago

Me neither Jeff. Lately, I find myself at a loss as to why I visit this place at all anymore.

mcphage 11y ago

It's an article about the monetization of web content, negative consequences of that system, and possible better alternatives. This is the bread and butter of Hacker News.