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You mentioned my point , Microsoft is too big to fail, in software development term they are bigger than Google and Apple combined . They are one of leaders in

by 0xFFC 11y ago

You mentioned my point , Microsoft is too big to fail, in software development term they are bigger than Google and Apple combined . They are one of leaders in gaming industry (which is pure money, even profitable than web). They controlling Windows which dominate whole pc market without even competition(don't get me wrong , I have been on fedora for years and I am on fedora right now, but thats it truth , Microsoft is absolute leader of PC's).And after this new smart CEO they understand what was wrong about their approach and they are fixing it right now. they are pushing cloud as fast as possible. they are dead serious about edge.they are bringing ssh and whole another tools to make windows more developer friendly.They are pushing windows 10 for internet of things more than google pushes android for internet of things.(Because they know it will be a revive for Windows phone) and whole another things. If I were google. I would be very stressed , Nadella's Microsoft is not ordinary company and it is attacking google in every front. Google's biggest mistake was their hesitate to beat windows on desktop(I would say recent news about chrome/android desktop version is related to their analysis from Microsoft approach). We all know it does not matter where goes computing. Desktop will be there ! even for 10 % of users (developers). but desktop will not dead (there is no way , absolutely ).And until desktop is alive , Microsoft is like snake with venom , ready to attack. I am betting on Microsoft ( despite being linux guy ). Microsoft coming back and they compete vigorously , because they have resource , they will win !

iSnow 11y ago
>in software development term they are bigger than Google and Apple combined . I dunno. Since a couple of years, a lot went wrong for them - Websearch (Bing usage must be abysmal) - Webmail - Mobile (I have lost track how many approaches failed over the years) - Web-tech (IE, Silverlight, all the other proprietary extensions) - Media sales (They had something for the Zune thingy, right?) - Web ads - Languages. Java is still around, JS likewise. The whole .NET ecosystem is kind of holding out, but nowhere exploding. - Social web I have a hard time believing their inclusion of SSH in 2015 is making a difference. The whole lot of younger coders I know are either on Mac, on Linux or on ChromeOS. No one wants to do Windows. Powershell is nice, but why learn it if you also work on Unix? The ordinary user or enterprise desktop is their mainstay and I don't see that evaporating fast. Surface is making some inroads into the corporate tablet/laptop (laplet?) market. And their productivity suite seems healthy despite the design choices. But that's it. Apple is eating the smartwatch market, the phone high-end, the tablet high-end, the ultrabook market. Android is slurping up the low-end to high-end phone market. Online productivity suites means Google. Search is Google. Media sales is Amazon/iTunes. Social web is Facebook/Twitter. New languages and frameworks come out of OSS or Google or Mozilla.
- kriro 11y ago
  I don't run Windows on any of my computers and have been a Linux user since forever but I have to disagree with at least one of the points here. Microsoft is pretty excellent in language development, I don't agree with the "new languages and frameworks come out of OSS or Google or Mozilla". F# would be my prime example. Axum was also pretty interesting. LINQ integration is also pretty interesting etc. etc.
  - insulanian 11y ago
    Yes, languages coming from MS deserve respect. Especially F#.
- BinaryIdiot 11y ago
  I think your points are woefully behind the times. > Websearch (Bing usage must be abysmal) Nope. In fact Bing usage is really good. 1 in 5 people are searching on Bing (maybe even more if you factor in the multiple companies that use Bing though I'm not sure Yahoo does anymore). http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/16/technology/bing-usage/ http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/16/technology/bing-usage/ > Webmail Office 365 is KILLING it and as part of that ecosystem they have Outlook on the web. I'm not sure what's going wrong for them here. Do you have any data? > Mobile Fair. Unfortunately, in my opinion. > Web-tech Their new browser in Windows 10 is actually really, really good. Silverlight is still one of the best options for streaming video but Microsoft is embracing the web like crazy! They worked on TypeScript, they have a new version Visual Studio that's built on web technologies, you can make universal Windows apps with web technology, their .Net framework constantly works with the latest developments in web tech. Microsoft is hugely in on Web Tech. Have you seen how well their Word, Excel, OneNote, etc work in a web browser? Pretty damn well. > Media sales What does this mean? There is XBox for gaming and music, there is groove for music in general, they have the Surface; are you referring to ONLY MP3 players? Even Apple is quitting that game. > Web ads Fair. No idea what their statistics are on this. > Languages. Java is still around, JS likewise. The whole .NET ecosystem is kind of holding out, but nowhere exploding. You can develop Java in Visual Studio. You can developer practically anything in Visual Studio now, even Objective-C to a degree (well, soon). The .Net platform is simply amazing and when the open sourcing is finished and they start offering their binaries for download there is no reason why it can't get bigger. Java isn't exactly exploding either. Not sure what this criticism is really trying to convey. > Social web Google also sucks at this. Apple too. Everyone but a few players suck at this. Microsoft actually has a decent social presence if you consider XBox Live but beyond that I don't think they have much of anything. > Apple is eating the smartwatch market, the phone high-end, the tablet high-end, the ultrabook market. Android is slurping up the low-end to high-end phone market. Online productivity suites means Google. Search is Google. Media sales is Amazon/iTunes. Social web is Facebook/Twitter. New languages and frameworks come out of OSS or Google or Mozilla. About half of this I disagree with but, even so, you act like it's a "well Google and Apple are winning so...Microsoft, just give up guys". I don't understand the point of your criticisms.
zghst 11y ago
Microsoft might be ambitious now, however I think they are the ones who will lose out in the future, where platforms are everything. A huge problem I see in Microsoft's approach is its ability to build a compelling platform for consumers, especially in a time of increasing skepticism in American tech. It's technology might be great, but it's cultural influence is low and may not be enough to keep it strong in the face of Chinese competitors in the future. They may end up like Sony... I hope their foray in the consumer space proves fruitful. It's a shame they have to compete with the likes of Apple and Google, along with any future Chinese tech company.

by 0xFFC 11y ago

iSnow 11y ago

>in software development term they are bigger than Google and Apple combined . I dunno. Since a couple of years, a lot went wrong for them - Websearch (Bing usage must be abysmal) - Webmail - Mobile (I have lost track how many approaches failed over the years) - Web-tech (IE, Silverlight, all the other proprietary extensions) - Media sales (They had something for the Zune thingy, right?) - Web ads - Languages. Java is still around, JS likewise. The whole .NET ecosystem is kind of holding out, but nowhere exploding. - Social web I have a hard time believing their inclusion of SSH in 2015 is making a difference. The whole lot of younger coders I know are either on Mac, on Linux or on ChromeOS. No one wants to do Windows. Powershell is nice, but why learn it if you also work on Unix? The ordinary user or enterprise desktop is their mainstay and I don't see that evaporating fast. Surface is making some inroads into the corporate tablet/laptop (laplet?) market. And their productivity suite seems healthy despite the design choices. But that's it. Apple is eating the smartwatch market, the phone high-end, the tablet high-end, the ultrabook market. Android is slurping up the low-end to high-end phone market. Online productivity suites means Google. Search is Google. Media sales is Amazon/iTunes. Social web is Facebook/Twitter. New languages and frameworks come out of OSS or Google or Mozilla.

kriro 11y ago
I don't run Windows on any of my computers and have been a Linux user since forever but I have to disagree with at least one of the points here. Microsoft is pretty excellent in language development, I don't agree with the "new languages and frameworks come out of OSS or Google or Mozilla". F# would be my prime example. Axum was also pretty interesting. LINQ integration is also pretty interesting etc. etc.
- insulanian 11y ago
  Yes, languages coming from MS deserve respect. Especially F#.
BinaryIdiot 11y ago
I think your points are woefully behind the times. > Websearch (Bing usage must be abysmal) Nope. In fact Bing usage is really good. 1 in 5 people are searching on Bing (maybe even more if you factor in the multiple companies that use Bing though I'm not sure Yahoo does anymore). http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/16/technology/bing-usage/ http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/16/technology/bing-usage/ > Webmail Office 365 is KILLING it and as part of that ecosystem they have Outlook on the web. I'm not sure what's going wrong for them here. Do you have any data? > Mobile Fair. Unfortunately, in my opinion. > Web-tech Their new browser in Windows 10 is actually really, really good. Silverlight is still one of the best options for streaming video but Microsoft is embracing the web like crazy! They worked on TypeScript, they have a new version Visual Studio that's built on web technologies, you can make universal Windows apps with web technology, their .Net framework constantly works with the latest developments in web tech. Microsoft is hugely in on Web Tech. Have you seen how well their Word, Excel, OneNote, etc work in a web browser? Pretty damn well. > Media sales What does this mean? There is XBox for gaming and music, there is groove for music in general, they have the Surface; are you referring to ONLY MP3 players? Even Apple is quitting that game. > Web ads Fair. No idea what their statistics are on this. > Languages. Java is still around, JS likewise. The whole .NET ecosystem is kind of holding out, but nowhere exploding. You can develop Java in Visual Studio. You can developer practically anything in Visual Studio now, even Objective-C to a degree (well, soon). The .Net platform is simply amazing and when the open sourcing is finished and they start offering their binaries for download there is no reason why it can't get bigger. Java isn't exactly exploding either. Not sure what this criticism is really trying to convey. > Social web Google also sucks at this. Apple too. Everyone but a few players suck at this. Microsoft actually has a decent social presence if you consider XBox Live but beyond that I don't think they have much of anything. > Apple is eating the smartwatch market, the phone high-end, the tablet high-end, the ultrabook market. Android is slurping up the low-end to high-end phone market. Online productivity suites means Google. Search is Google. Media sales is Amazon/iTunes. Social web is Facebook/Twitter. New languages and frameworks come out of OSS or Google or Mozilla. About half of this I disagree with but, even so, you act like it's a "well Google and Apple are winning so...Microsoft, just give up guys". I don't understand the point of your criticisms.

zghst 11y ago

Microsoft might be ambitious now, however I think they are the ones who will lose out in the future, where platforms are everything. A huge problem I see in Microsoft's approach is its ability to build a compelling platform for consumers, especially in a time of increasing skepticism in American tech. It's technology might be great, but it's cultural influence is low and may not be enough to keep it strong in the face of Chinese competitors in the future. They may end up like Sony... I hope their foray in the consumer space proves fruitful. It's a shame they have to compete with the likes of Apple and Google, along with any future Chinese tech company.