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Sweden is Out of Housing for Refugees

26 points by colund 11y ago

curtis 11y ago
Current submission title: "Sweden is Out of Housing for Refugees" Current article title: "Sweden Feels the Refugee Strain" The word "housing" doesn't seem to appear anywhere in the article. I think the current article title better reflects the content of the story.
- colund 11y ago
  Because it was hard finding an article which mentions this very 'out of housing' fact which dominates Swedish media currently.
  - dalke 11y ago
    As for example, the "extra" on the front page of Göteborgs Posten, titled "Minister: Flyktingboenden slut" and linking to http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/1.2887462-minister-boenden-for-flyktingar-slut http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/1.2887462-minister-boenden-... . The Local covers it in English, t http://www.thelocal.se/20151105/sweden-urges-refugees-to-stay-in-germany http://www.thelocal.se/20151105/sweden-urges-refugees-to-sta... , ("Sweden can no longer guarantee refugee beds").
- diggan 11y ago
  The word might not appear in the article but the article mentions (as in other swedish media) that it's hard for the government to find more housing for the refugees and that they are now struggling to create new places for them to live temporary.
  - colund 11y ago
    Also read this https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/20/sweden-is-running-out-of-housing-for-refugees-so-its-pitching-tents/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/20...
chebastian 11y ago
nice read, the fact that no swedish publication can write anything without racist views beeing applied makes me sad. the last paragraph @Some recent arrivals, especially those from Syria, are educated and may find jobs relatively quickly. Rama Yousef, a university graduate who came in 2013 with her family, spent five months in a government-paid intensive Swedish course, then enrolled in a program at Stockholm University that helps highly qualified immigrants find jobs. She now works in the Stockholm office of consulting group Capgemini. “The Swedish people have done a lot for me,” she says. Is something youd never read in a swedish newpaper, or atleast thats how i interpret our news. All you read is how ungreatfull people are for any help they get. Guess it's easier to sell newspapers to idiots if you write abous idiots acting like idiots.
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  - emsy 11y ago
    In Germany it's the opposite. Any critical opinion towards immigration is immediately branded as racist. Newspapers won't report wether crimes are commited by Germans or refugees (I don't know if it's by law). The police is ordered not to reveal anything about problems, unorderly behaviour and violence they encounter with refugees.
- ptype 11y ago
  What? Are you trolling? I think most people would agree to the contrary. The media is rarely asking critical questions to the politicians and have been widely supporting the mass immigration, to the extent that many people are losing confidence completely in the established media outlets.
estefan 11y ago
"It’s as if North Carolina, which has about the same population as Sweden, sprouted a new city the size of Raleigh in three years." A meaningless sentence to anyone outside the States. Can someone write to Bloomberg and tell them how the Internet works?
- mc32 11y ago
  Well, if you're on Europe, the presumption is you know Sweden. For Asia, a little more than Laos, or you know, use the internet....
  - estefan 11y ago
    I get the North Carolina - Sweden thing, but Raleigh...?
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- prodmerc 11y ago
  You're on the Internet, Google it :-)
- pille 11y ago
  It's pretty meaningless to me and I've lived in North Carolina. I have no idea what it would be like for another Raleigh to spring up there, plus North Carolina is not a nation state. I think it's just hard to come up with useful analogies for huge-scale events like this. But yeah, it seems pretty phoned in. Try this: imagine the crowds you have to deal with going to a major mass-market sporting event, now imagine 8 of those, now make it last for three years, and now set the end date to "indefinite".
symmetricsaurus 11y ago
Swedish migration minister Morgan Johansson now says that Sweden can no longer guarantee housing for refugees [1][2]. This is a new development as the previous official line has been that the situation is strained but under control. [1]: http://www.dn.se/nyheter/politik/morgan-johansson-gransen-for-sverige-ar-nadd/ http://www.dn.se/nyheter/politik/morgan-johansson-gransen-fo... [2]: http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/1.2887462-minister-boenden-for-flyktingar-slut http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/1.2887462-minister-boenden-... edit:spelling
- symmetricsaurus 11y ago
  I think that now it is time for other European countries to step up and take their responsibility. Many countries seem focused on keeping all migrants/refugees out and in that way shuffling the responsibility to some other country. It isn't reasonable to expect Turkey and Lebanon to take all refugees from Syria for example. Also the responsibility of airlines for paying the costs of returning anyone who is not allowed to enter a country should be removed. It is a very hard-line rule that creates a lot of unnecessary suffering and also creates a huge black market (trafficking). [1] [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO0IRsfrPQ4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO0IRsfrPQ4
  - dudul 11y ago
    "I think that now it is time for other European countries to step up and take their responsibility." And what is their responsibility exactly? Sweden is free to do what they want, just like other countries can decide their own foreign policy. I'm not saying I support building walls at the border, but again, countries are free to do what they want with their territory, they don't owe anything to refugees or other nations.
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    - gozo 11y ago
      Other than international treaties, it's a threat to stability. Not only in the middle east, but in Turkey, Greece, the Balkans, Europe as whole and the European Union as an entity. History doesn't really care what you think you owe or don't owe anyone. The question is what you can afford, especially with the change in geopolitics like the rise of China. On the other hand considering the quality of your other comments on HN I'm not even sure why I'm writing this.
prodmerc 11y ago
Honest question: does 1 job taken by an immigrant equal 1 job lost by a local? How else is it? I was a migrant worker myself, and while I'm grateful for the opportunity to work for a higher salary than I could get home, I still believe that the open work policies are bad for both sides - developing nations get a huge brain drain and a slower internal development, while developed countries get a lot of cheap workers and have unemployment problems with their own citizens...
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- pfg 11y ago
  The general consensus is, I believe, that immigration has negative short-term effects on wages for low-paid workers or people just starting their careers, but eventually leads to economic growth due to higher demand. Some countries even rely upon immigrants to keep their social security system up and running, due to their own citizens aging rapidly and not having enough population growth. I believe Germany is one such example. For the countries currently losing most of their qualified and educated citizens, it's certainly not a good thing.
  - elipsey 11y ago
    I think this is correct, but I'm having trouble finding proper peer reviewed publications on the subject. The search is very noisey for obvious reasons. Here's someone who says that immigration contributed moderately to the rise of wage inequality by increasing the supply of low-skilled labor during the 1980's, but that the effect on native worker outcomes was very slight: http://www.jstor.org/stable/2118131?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents http://www.jstor.org/stable/2118131?seq=1#page_scan_tab_cont... EDIT: "Some countries even rely upon immigrants to keep their social security system up and running, due to their own citizens aging rapidly and not having enough population growth. I believe Germany is one such example." That's interesting. Maybe this could help with demographic problems here in the U.S. For example amnesty could capture new tax and social security revenues from millions of younger workers. Demand might be lower at a legal minimum wage however.
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colund 11y ago
You can read about the housing problems here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10514741 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10514741
- semperdark 11y ago
  Your link seems to be broken
  - colund 11y ago
    Yes I deleted it since I posted the link in a comment above instead.
colund 11y ago
"Sweden can no longer guarantee accommodation to everyone who comes. Those who are arriving could be met with the news that there isn't anywhere to stay." http://news.yahoo.com/sweden-apply-emergency-eu-aid-meet-asylum-crisis-113453449--business.html http://news.yahoo.com/sweden-apply-emergency-eu-aid-meet-asy...

26 points by colund 11y ago

Current submission title: "Sweden is Out of Housing for Refugees" Current article title: "Sweden Feels the Refugee Strain" The word "housing" doesn't seem to appear anywhere in the article. I think the current article title better reflects the content of the story.

colund 11y ago
Because it was hard finding an article which mentions this very 'out of housing' fact which dominates Swedish media currently.
- dalke 11y ago
  As for example, the "extra" on the front page of Göteborgs Posten, titled "Minister: Flyktingboenden slut" and linking to http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/1.2887462-minister-boenden-for-flyktingar-slut http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/1.2887462-minister-boenden-... . The Local covers it in English, t http://www.thelocal.se/20151105/sweden-urges-refugees-to-stay-in-germany http://www.thelocal.se/20151105/sweden-urges-refugees-to-sta... , ("Sweden can no longer guarantee refugee beds").
diggan 11y ago
The word might not appear in the article but the article mentions (as in other swedish media) that it's hard for the government to find more housing for the refugees and that they are now struggling to create new places for them to live temporary.
- colund 11y ago
  Also read this https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/20/sweden-is-running-out-of-housing-for-refugees-so-its-pitching-tents/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/20...

chebastian 11y ago

nice read, the fact that no swedish publication can write anything without racist views beeing applied makes me sad. the last paragraph @Some recent arrivals, especially those from Syria, are educated and may find jobs relatively quickly. Rama Yousef, a university graduate who came in 2013 with her family, spent five months in a government-paid intensive Swedish course, then enrolled in a program at Stockholm University that helps highly qualified immigrants find jobs. She now works in the Stockholm office of consulting group Capgemini. “The Swedish people have done a lot for me,” she says. Is something youd never read in a swedish newpaper, or atleast thats how i interpret our news. All you read is how ungreatfull people are for any help they get. Guess it's easier to sell newspapers to idiots if you write abous idiots acting like idiots.

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- emsy 11y ago
  In Germany it's the opposite. Any critical opinion towards immigration is immediately branded as racist. Newspapers won't report wether crimes are commited by Germans or refugees (I don't know if it's by law). The police is ordered not to reveal anything about problems, unorderly behaviour and violence they encounter with refugees.
ptype 11y ago
What? Are you trolling? I think most people would agree to the contrary. The media is rarely asking critical questions to the politicians and have been widely supporting the mass immigration, to the extent that many people are losing confidence completely in the established media outlets.

estefan 11y ago

"It’s as if North Carolina, which has about the same population as Sweden, sprouted a new city the size of Raleigh in three years." A meaningless sentence to anyone outside the States. Can someone write to Bloomberg and tell them how the Internet works?

mc32 11y ago
Well, if you're on Europe, the presumption is you know Sweden. For Asia, a little more than Laos, or you know, use the internet....
- estefan 11y ago
  I get the North Carolina - Sweden thing, but Raleigh...?
  - deleted 11y ago
    [deleted]
prodmerc 11y ago
You're on the Internet, Google it :-)
pille 11y ago
It's pretty meaningless to me and I've lived in North Carolina. I have no idea what it would be like for another Raleigh to spring up there, plus North Carolina is not a nation state. I think it's just hard to come up with useful analogies for huge-scale events like this. But yeah, it seems pretty phoned in. Try this: imagine the crowds you have to deal with going to a major mass-market sporting event, now imagine 8 of those, now make it last for three years, and now set the end date to "indefinite".

symmetricsaurus 11y ago

Swedish migration minister Morgan Johansson now says that Sweden can no longer guarantee housing for refugees [1][2]. This is a new development as the previous official line has been that the situation is strained but under control. [1]: http://www.dn.se/nyheter/politik/morgan-johansson-gransen-for-sverige-ar-nadd/ http://www.dn.se/nyheter/politik/morgan-johansson-gransen-fo... [2]: http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/1.2887462-minister-boenden-for-flyktingar-slut http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/1.2887462-minister-boenden-... edit:spelling

symmetricsaurus 11y ago
I think that now it is time for other European countries to step up and take their responsibility. Many countries seem focused on keeping all migrants/refugees out and in that way shuffling the responsibility to some other country. It isn't reasonable to expect Turkey and Lebanon to take all refugees from Syria for example. Also the responsibility of airlines for paying the costs of returning anyone who is not allowed to enter a country should be removed. It is a very hard-line rule that creates a lot of unnecessary suffering and also creates a huge black market (trafficking). [1] [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO0IRsfrPQ4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YO0IRsfrPQ4
- dudul 11y ago
  "I think that now it is time for other European countries to step up and take their responsibility." And what is their responsibility exactly? Sweden is free to do what they want, just like other countries can decide their own foreign policy. I'm not saying I support building walls at the border, but again, countries are free to do what they want with their territory, they don't owe anything to refugees or other nations.
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  - gozo 11y ago
    Other than international treaties, it's a threat to stability. Not only in the middle east, but in Turkey, Greece, the Balkans, Europe as whole and the European Union as an entity. History doesn't really care what you think you owe or don't owe anyone. The question is what you can afford, especially with the change in geopolitics like the rise of China. On the other hand considering the quality of your other comments on HN I'm not even sure why I'm writing this.

prodmerc 11y ago

Honest question: does 1 job taken by an immigrant equal 1 job lost by a local? How else is it? I was a migrant worker myself, and while I'm grateful for the opportunity to work for a higher salary than I could get home, I still believe that the open work policies are bad for both sides - developing nations get a huge brain drain and a slower internal development, while developed countries get a lot of cheap workers and have unemployment problems with their own citizens...

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pfg 11y ago
The general consensus is, I believe, that immigration has negative short-term effects on wages for low-paid workers or people just starting their careers, but eventually leads to economic growth due to higher demand. Some countries even rely upon immigrants to keep their social security system up and running, due to their own citizens aging rapidly and not having enough population growth. I believe Germany is one such example. For the countries currently losing most of their qualified and educated citizens, it's certainly not a good thing.
- elipsey 11y ago
  I think this is correct, but I'm having trouble finding proper peer reviewed publications on the subject. The search is very noisey for obvious reasons. Here's someone who says that immigration contributed moderately to the rise of wage inequality by increasing the supply of low-skilled labor during the 1980's, but that the effect on native worker outcomes was very slight: http://www.jstor.org/stable/2118131?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents http://www.jstor.org/stable/2118131?seq=1#page_scan_tab_cont... EDIT: "Some countries even rely upon immigrants to keep their social security system up and running, due to their own citizens aging rapidly and not having enough population growth. I believe Germany is one such example." That's interesting. Maybe this could help with demographic problems here in the U.S. For example amnesty could capture new tax and social security revenues from millions of younger workers. Demand might be lower at a legal minimum wage however.
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colund 11y ago

You can read about the housing problems here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10514741 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10514741

semperdark 11y ago
Your link seems to be broken
- colund 11y ago
  Yes I deleted it since I posted the link in a comment above instead.

colund 11y ago

"Sweden can no longer guarantee accommodation to everyone who comes. Those who are arriving could be met with the news that there isn't anywhere to stay." http://news.yahoo.com/sweden-apply-emergency-eu-aid-meet-asylum-crisis-113453449--business.html http://news.yahoo.com/sweden-apply-emergency-eu-aid-meet-asy...