> Lisp and Hoon are both pair-oriented languages down below, but Lisp has a layer of sugar that makes it look list-oriented. You know, I always wondered about

> Lisp and Hoon are both pair-oriented languages down below, but Lisp has a layer of sugar that makes it look list-oriented. You know, I always wondered about where we should draw the line when describing Lisp as a language family vs. Lisp the original reference implementation, vs. Lisp the originally popular implementation (either CL or Scheme, take your pick). Because I think most people agree that Clojure is a valid Lisp, yet it's not based on pairs like Lisp traditionally is.