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I, for one, am amazed that PHP isn't even near the top

by debacle 11y ago

mschuster91 11y ago
Because the situation around PHP has massively improved with PHP supporting real OO programming, huge performance gains and cutting cruft like register_globals and other insanities.
- debacle 11y ago
  That doesn't change the fact that a lot of people still hate on PHP like it's 2008. "What do you mean it's not real object oriented programming? PHP5 has been out for TEN YEARS."
  - mschuster91 11y ago
    Probably because the haters never took the time to re-evaluate PHP. I've written daemons, GUI programs (!) and even stuff like custom binary network protocols in PHP, in a fraction of the time it'd have needed in C/C++...
    - danieltillett 11y ago
      I wonder if it would have been better to have changed the name of PHP - maybe follow the fortran approach and tack on the year.
    - craigmcnamara 11y ago
      Can vs Should. While PHP is turing complete, there are much better toolkits for the jobs you described.
      - mschuster91 11y ago
        Sure, but PHP abstracts a load of stuff when you're doing cross-platform stuff - and what's more important, it allows you to keep one language (thus reusing codebase) when you're also doing stuff with web interfaces. Neither Java, Ruby, Python nor anything else are as simple to setup and resource-friendly to run as a PHP-FCGI+nginx setup.
    - gaius 11y ago
      The guys behind MtGox were working on a PHP implementation of SSL, before it all went south there.
  - prodigal_erik 11y ago
    PHP5 didn't fix deranged fundamental stuff like ($x == $y) && ($a[$x] != $a[$y]).
- craigmcnamara 11y ago
  Um, I'm working on a PHP codebase at the moment. I hate the PHP standard library. It's awful and awkward, but my job is to make shit work, so I do, even if I hate every minute of it.
  - anonyfox 11y ago
    So much this. Plus, we have certified CentOS servers that are only allowed to run 5.4 for the next years to come. Not to mention that the syntax and stdlib are a nightmare. Thank god, we convinced our bosses to rewrite our legacy systems in elixir, since ~10years of iterative php progress grinded to a halt with lasagna layers of spaghetti code of homegrown-everything. Unmaintainable now, but the feature request keep coming in, and will do for years to come.
    - sacado2 11y ago
      Lucky you, I'm stuck with 5.3, because of old CentOS too.
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I, for one, am amazed that PHP isn't even near the top

by debacle 11y ago

I, for one, am amazed that PHP isn't even near the top

Because the situation around PHP has massively improved with PHP supporting real OO programming, huge performance gains and cutting cruft like register_globals and other insanities.

debacle 11y ago
That doesn't change the fact that a lot of people still hate on PHP like it's 2008. "What do you mean it's not real object oriented programming? PHP5 has been out for TEN YEARS."
- mschuster91 11y ago
  Probably because the haters never took the time to re-evaluate PHP. I've written daemons, GUI programs (!) and even stuff like custom binary network protocols in PHP, in a fraction of the time it'd have needed in C/C++...
  - danieltillett 11y ago
    I wonder if it would have been better to have changed the name of PHP - maybe follow the fortran approach and tack on the year.
  - craigmcnamara 11y ago
    Can vs Should. While PHP is turing complete, there are much better toolkits for the jobs you described.
    - mschuster91 11y ago
      Sure, but PHP abstracts a load of stuff when you're doing cross-platform stuff - and what's more important, it allows you to keep one language (thus reusing codebase) when you're also doing stuff with web interfaces. Neither Java, Ruby, Python nor anything else are as simple to setup and resource-friendly to run as a PHP-FCGI+nginx setup.
  - gaius 11y ago
    The guys behind MtGox were working on a PHP implementation of SSL, before it all went south there.
- prodigal_erik 11y ago
  PHP5 didn't fix deranged fundamental stuff like ($x == $y) && ($a[$x] != $a[$y]).
craigmcnamara 11y ago
Um, I'm working on a PHP codebase at the moment. I hate the PHP standard library. It's awful and awkward, but my job is to make shit work, so I do, even if I hate every minute of it.
- anonyfox 11y ago
  So much this. Plus, we have certified CentOS servers that are only allowed to run 5.4 for the next years to come. Not to mention that the syntax and stdlib are a nightmare. Thank god, we convinced our bosses to rewrite our legacy systems in elixir, since ~10years of iterative php progress grinded to a halt with lasagna layers of spaghetti code of homegrown-everything. Unmaintainable now, but the feature request keep coming in, and will do for years to come.
  - sacado2 11y ago
    Lucky you, I'm stuck with 5.3, because of old CentOS too.

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