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The people behind Opal are really awesome. I've spoken to them a few times about this project and they really do know their stuff. Opal looks very promising to

The people behind Opal are really awesome. I've spoken to them a few times about this project and they really do know their stuff. Opal looks very promising to anyone who's still using Ruby.

amazing_jose 11y ago
«...who's still using Ruby.», is the last part of your comment implying that they are an endangered species?
- guide42 11y ago
  Yes
- sdegutis 11y ago
  I no longer use Ruby, we've moved to Clojure full-stack. But I still like to look at Opal from time to time.
- lectrick 11y ago
  I'll just leave my tweeted photo from ElixirConf right here. https://twitter.com/pmarreck/status/650430959951593472 https://twitter.com/pmarreck/status/650430959951593472 That was a live survey done during the session. The long yellow bar, in case it's hard to read, represented Ruby. It's not that hard to see why: https://speakerdeck.com/mosic/elixir-at-evercam?slide=6 https://speakerdeck.com/mosic/elixir-at-evercam?slide=6
  - sdegutis 11y ago
    > It's not that hard to see why: https://speakerdeck.com/mosic/elixir-at-evercam?slide=6 https://speakerdeck.com/mosic/elixir-at-evercam?slide=6 I'm not sure that's a fair explanation. You can do any of these things in the implementation language of a web app. But splitting them out into external applications has other advantages.
    - lectrick 11y ago
      > But splitting them out into external applications has other advantages. Such as?
aquilaFiera 11y ago
Seem like a lovely bunch of nice and inviting people. https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941
- sdegutis 11y ago
  Look, it's the guy's own personal twitter account. He can say what he wants. And he's put his own work into an open source project, voluntarily. Despite what many seem to think, there is no "universally agreed" morals and views. So if you want to oust people you disagree with, don't be surprised when others oust you. Or better yet, we'd all be better off if we all just learn to work peaceably with people we disagree with.
  - spoiler 11y ago
    > Look, it's the guy's own personal twitter account. He can say what he wants. And he's put his own work into an open source project, voluntarily. He's promoting Opal on that same Twitter account, though. A parallel: It's like saying he can bully someone outside of class, and that as long as he sits nice and quiet in class, the school shouldn't do anything about it. Quite frankly, I think the Internet got to his head. > Despite what many seem to think, there is no "universally agreed" morals and views. So if you want to oust people you disagree with, don't be surprised when others oust you. True, but his statement was a soft-core version of hate speech. > Or better yet, we'd all be better off if we all just learn to work peaceably with people we disagree with. He didn't simply disagree, though. He's being outright offensive about it: "not accepting reality is the problem here," and "anyway it's months that in Italy school after school sneaks genderism lessons in without parents consent. Not cool," yes okay, let's not educate people, because that's well cool, innit blad.
    - sdegutis 11y ago
      > He's promoting Opal on that same Twitter account, though. So? It's his personal twitter account. He can do what he wants with it. He can say the Surface Book is great, or Opal is great, or Opal sucks. That doesn't make anything he says there into an official endorsement or opinion of the Opal project. > A parallel: It's like saying he can bully someone outside of class, and that as long as he sits nice and quiet in class, the school shouldn't do anything about it. The difference is that bullying is actually against rules. Expressing your views on something controversial like this is perfectly allowed due to freedom of speech. > True, but his statement was a soft-core version of hate speech. For one specific definition of hate-speech, sure. But not one that's universally agreed upon. In other words, that's like, your opinion, man.

The people behind Opal are really awesome. I've spoken to them a few times about this project and they really do know their stuff. Opal looks very promising to anyone who's still using Ruby.

amazing_jose 11y ago

«...who's still using Ruby.», is the last part of your comment implying that they are an endangered species?

guide42 11y ago
Yes
sdegutis 11y ago
I no longer use Ruby, we've moved to Clojure full-stack. But I still like to look at Opal from time to time.
lectrick 11y ago
I'll just leave my tweeted photo from ElixirConf right here. https://twitter.com/pmarreck/status/650430959951593472 https://twitter.com/pmarreck/status/650430959951593472 That was a live survey done during the session. The long yellow bar, in case it's hard to read, represented Ruby. It's not that hard to see why: https://speakerdeck.com/mosic/elixir-at-evercam?slide=6 https://speakerdeck.com/mosic/elixir-at-evercam?slide=6
- sdegutis 11y ago
  > It's not that hard to see why: https://speakerdeck.com/mosic/elixir-at-evercam?slide=6 https://speakerdeck.com/mosic/elixir-at-evercam?slide=6 I'm not sure that's a fair explanation. You can do any of these things in the implementation language of a web app. But splitting them out into external applications has other advantages.
  - lectrick 11y ago
    > But splitting them out into external applications has other advantages. Such as?

aquilaFiera 11y ago

Seem like a lovely bunch of nice and inviting people. https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941 https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941

sdegutis 11y ago
Look, it's the guy's own personal twitter account. He can say what he wants. And he's put his own work into an open source project, voluntarily. Despite what many seem to think, there is no "universally agreed" morals and views. So if you want to oust people you disagree with, don't be surprised when others oust you. Or better yet, we'd all be better off if we all just learn to work peaceably with people we disagree with.
- spoiler 11y ago
  > Look, it's the guy's own personal twitter account. He can say what he wants. And he's put his own work into an open source project, voluntarily. He's promoting Opal on that same Twitter account, though. A parallel: It's like saying he can bully someone outside of class, and that as long as he sits nice and quiet in class, the school shouldn't do anything about it. Quite frankly, I think the Internet got to his head. > Despite what many seem to think, there is no "universally agreed" morals and views. So if you want to oust people you disagree with, don't be surprised when others oust you. True, but his statement was a soft-core version of hate speech. > Or better yet, we'd all be better off if we all just learn to work peaceably with people we disagree with. He didn't simply disagree, though. He's being outright offensive about it: "not accepting reality is the problem here," and "anyway it's months that in Italy school after school sneaks genderism lessons in without parents consent. Not cool," yes okay, let's not educate people, because that's well cool, innit blad.
  - sdegutis 11y ago
    > He's promoting Opal on that same Twitter account, though. So? It's his personal twitter account. He can do what he wants with it. He can say the Surface Book is great, or Opal is great, or Opal sucks. That doesn't make anything he says there into an official endorsement or opinion of the Opal project. > A parallel: It's like saying he can bully someone outside of class, and that as long as he sits nice and quiet in class, the school shouldn't do anything about it. The difference is that bullying is actually against rules. Expressing your views on something controversial like this is perfectly allowed due to freedom of speech. > True, but his statement was a soft-core version of hate speech. For one specific definition of hate-speech, sure. But not one that's universally agreed upon. In other words, that's like, your opinion, man.