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Hi, it makes it fun for me. But I have started to understand how much variation in effect different strains of the plant can have after experiencing it in a co

Hi, it makes it fun for me. But I have started to understand how much variation in effect different strains of the plant can have after experiencing it in a controlled manner in Colorado since legalization. Growing up you'd generally get whatever was around and so the effects were unpredictable, especially as street dealers were either ignorant of the provenance or would call whatever they had whatever they felt like calling it. But having gone through the retail process a few times and having the guidance of "budtenders" who will ask you what effect you're looking for, they really can offer you different types that will leave you more social than others.

oldmanjay 11y ago
Or your various biases kick in and make you notice effects you paid an "expert" to tell you would be there.
- obmelvin 11y ago
  It's probably a bit of both. Being blatantly dismissive is no better than assuming the effects are true just because someone told you so. However, crowd-sourced sites like leafly would lead me to believe there is some truth to the different effects.
  - oldmanjay 11y ago
    Self-reporting basically ruins any ability to draw any conclusions at all. I'm not so much dismissing the effects are true as I am dismissing that anyone is capable of self-reporting them in a way that is useful. Give me a well-designed experiment showing these effects, I'll believe it. Until then, it's an old wive's tale told mainly by young potheads.
    - wavefunction 11y ago
      If you've really been around the block then you'd know. Or maybe you're just someone that's always gotten the same brick-schwag or are one of those undiscerning types.
- cb18 11y ago
  I think this is pretty well established, both scientifically and experientially. We're talking about different ratios of psychoactive agents, so it's only natural to assume that if the action is different, the result will be different. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_sativa#Difference_between_C._sativa_and_C._indica https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_sativa#Difference_bet... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_indica#Difference_between_C._indica_and_C._sativa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_indica#Difference_bet...
  - oldmanjay 11y ago
    Both pages appeal to "well-known" effects, and the one linked study used as a citation for these effects says: >There are numerous anecdotal reports claiming that marijuana with relatively higher ratios of THC:CBD is less likely to induce anxiety in the user than marijuana with low THC:CBD ratios; but, taken together, the results published thus far are inconclusive. [0] Which is not exactly confidence inspiring as being "pretty well established" scientifically. Granted, I'm not digging through the literature here, just following your links, but so far, the case has not been made. [0] http://www.nap.edu/read/6376/chapter/4#36 http://www.nap.edu/read/6376/chapter/4#36
    - cb18 11y ago
      What kind of study do you want? They are different compounds. Mix up a blend of 25% cayenne to 75% cinnamon, then 75% cayenne to 25% cinnamon. Do you think that conscious experiences that results from these blends interacting with your tongue are going to be qualitatively different? Do you want somebody to demonstrate from neural imaging or something, that users of different strains are in fact experiencing different effects on their conscious perception? For that you're probably going to need to make some significant progress in solving the hard problem of consciousness. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness Meanwhile, those of us with an understanding of cause and effect can rest assured that different actions do in fact produce different results. I'm not speaking to a study of any particular effect(anxiety, etc.) just going back to your original comment about the 'budtender induced placebo' and explaining that they aren't 'blowing smoke,' there are actual differences in the constituent molecules of the products.
- wavefunction 11y ago
  I have consumed a fair amount of cannabis in my time so I have a "wealth of data" to draw upon, both pre-legalization and post. When I have gone back to Colorado to visit my folks, I have made a point to sample multiple strains and they have both corresponded to the advertised effects as well as been markedly different, presumably due to the differing ratios of the 30 or so cannabinoids found in every variety of indica and sativa. I won't go into my "street credentials" but let's just say I don't need to put stock in the expertise of so-called experts. Nonetheless the budtenders I interacted with were cool folks who were knowledgeable and helpful during the retail process. Frankly I'm insulted by your dismissive post. Would it be too rude to call you a fool, for assuming more complete knowledge over someone else's experience? I'm middle-aged by this point so I don't really have time for folks like you or the type of energy you're sending my way.

oldmanjay 11y ago

Or your various biases kick in and make you notice effects you paid an "expert" to tell you would be there.

obmelvin 11y ago
It's probably a bit of both. Being blatantly dismissive is no better than assuming the effects are true just because someone told you so. However, crowd-sourced sites like leafly would lead me to believe there is some truth to the different effects.
- oldmanjay 11y ago
  Self-reporting basically ruins any ability to draw any conclusions at all. I'm not so much dismissing the effects are true as I am dismissing that anyone is capable of self-reporting them in a way that is useful. Give me a well-designed experiment showing these effects, I'll believe it. Until then, it's an old wive's tale told mainly by young potheads.
  - wavefunction 11y ago
    If you've really been around the block then you'd know. Or maybe you're just someone that's always gotten the same brick-schwag or are one of those undiscerning types.
cb18 11y ago
I think this is pretty well established, both scientifically and experientially. We're talking about different ratios of psychoactive agents, so it's only natural to assume that if the action is different, the result will be different. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_sativa#Difference_between_C._sativa_and_C._indica https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_sativa#Difference_bet... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_indica#Difference_between_C._indica_and_C._sativa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_indica#Difference_bet...
- oldmanjay 11y ago
  Both pages appeal to "well-known" effects, and the one linked study used as a citation for these effects says: >There are numerous anecdotal reports claiming that marijuana with relatively higher ratios of THC:CBD is less likely to induce anxiety in the user than marijuana with low THC:CBD ratios; but, taken together, the results published thus far are inconclusive. [0] Which is not exactly confidence inspiring as being "pretty well established" scientifically. Granted, I'm not digging through the literature here, just following your links, but so far, the case has not been made. [0] http://www.nap.edu/read/6376/chapter/4#36 http://www.nap.edu/read/6376/chapter/4#36
  - cb18 11y ago
    What kind of study do you want? They are different compounds. Mix up a blend of 25% cayenne to 75% cinnamon, then 75% cayenne to 25% cinnamon. Do you think that conscious experiences that results from these blends interacting with your tongue are going to be qualitatively different? Do you want somebody to demonstrate from neural imaging or something, that users of different strains are in fact experiencing different effects on their conscious perception? For that you're probably going to need to make some significant progress in solving the hard problem of consciousness. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness Meanwhile, those of us with an understanding of cause and effect can rest assured that different actions do in fact produce different results. I'm not speaking to a study of any particular effect(anxiety, etc.) just going back to your original comment about the 'budtender induced placebo' and explaining that they aren't 'blowing smoke,' there are actual differences in the constituent molecules of the products.
wavefunction 11y ago
I have consumed a fair amount of cannabis in my time so I have a "wealth of data" to draw upon, both pre-legalization and post. When I have gone back to Colorado to visit my folks, I have made a point to sample multiple strains and they have both corresponded to the advertised effects as well as been markedly different, presumably due to the differing ratios of the 30 or so cannabinoids found in every variety of indica and sativa. I won't go into my "street credentials" but let's just say I don't need to put stock in the expertise of so-called experts. Nonetheless the budtenders I interacted with were cool folks who were knowledgeable and helpful during the retail process. Frankly I'm insulted by your dismissive post. Would it be too rude to call you a fool, for assuming more complete knowledge over someone else's experience? I'm middle-aged by this point so I don't really have time for folks like you or the type of energy you're sending my way.