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Cite an article that says the purity of heroin is the most dangerous part of heroin use. Just one reputable article. Put up or shutup. I posted 3 well-establis

by bcook 11y ago

Cite an article that says the purity of heroin is the most dangerous part of heroin use. Just one reputable article. Put up or shutup. I posted 3 well-established papers above if you want some reading.

ryanlol 11y ago
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=heroin+overdose+purity&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=heroin+overdose+p... Considering purity fluctuations will actually KILL you rather than just make you want more, yeah I'd say that's by far the most dangerous part of street heroin.
- bcook 11y ago
  I just lost a relative. I would be much more hurt if they were still alive and stealing from me, working as a prostitute, or murdering strangers for a fix. A ruined life is worse than a lost life. Yes, purity is a problem, but it is far from the most impactful potential effects of heroin use.
corin_ 11y ago
Here's an interesting brief-read: http://lifeprocessprogram.com/lp-blog/library/the-persistent-dangerous-myth-of-heroin-overdose/ http://lifeprocessprogram.com/lp-blog/library/the-persistent... Here's a paper about treating opiate addicts with pure heroin and it having positive effects: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2008.02185.x/abstract http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2008.... If you read up pretty much any information about the dangers of heroin, you will see that they are overdose (which you can prevent by using the right amounts), risk when mixed with other drugs (including alcohol), and risk surrounding it (e.g. sharing needles, committing crimes to afford it, etc.) You're still as likely to get addicted, but if you know the dose you're putting into your body you'll probably be fine. Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin#Adverse_effects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin#Adverse_effects) cites "Merck Manual of Home Health Handbook – 2nd edition, 2003, p. 2097" for the following statement: "Like most opioids, unadulterated heroin does not cause many long-term complications other than dependence and constipation." Followed by "...purity levels between 40% and 60%; this variation has led to people suffering from overdoses as a result" Pure Heroin is actually prescribed as a legal drug in some countries, e.g. the UK: http://patient.info/medicine/diamorphine http://patient.info/medicine/diamorphine and once inside your body is almost exactly the same as morphine that is prescribed as a painkiller in most countries. These drugs, when prescribed (and therefore completely pure and dosage known), very rarely cause problems for their users other than tolerance build-up and potential for users to use recreationally without knowing what dose to use. So stop being rude and go do some Googling yourself, or ask any doctor the next time you go see one / are in a hospital, and they'll tell you the same thing.
- bcook 11y ago
  You said "The biggest danger is indeed purity". Nothing that you referenced says that. Yes, it is a part of any drug use and is a big reason to legalize, but purity is not the biggest danger. The physical and psychological dependance are the biggest problem. Adulterants are nearly impossible to study, given the unknowns. Sorry about the "put up or shutup".
- blumkvist 11y ago
  So... how is the discussion going? Productive? :)
  - dang 11y ago
    We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the HN guidelines.
- bcook 11y ago
  From the information you presented, I did learn that heroin has minimal danger of causing neurotxicity, which is great. Thanks for that. Sincerely, I apologize for being so non-collaborative in our search for answers.
  - corin_ 11y ago
    NP. I guess overdose being the biggest risk is subjective - if a substance gets you addicted but never kills you then personally I'd consider that less bad than a substance that doesn't get you addicted but could kill you - so I'd rather use pure heroin than, for example, cocaine or un-pure heroin. Not that I plan on trying regardless, myself.

by bcook 11y ago

ryanlol 11y ago

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=heroin+overdose+purity&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp= https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=heroin+overdose+p... Considering purity fluctuations will actually KILL you rather than just make you want more, yeah I'd say that's by far the most dangerous part of street heroin.

bcook 11y ago
I just lost a relative. I would be much more hurt if they were still alive and stealing from me, working as a prostitute, or murdering strangers for a fix. A ruined life is worse than a lost life. Yes, purity is a problem, but it is far from the most impactful potential effects of heroin use.

corin_ 11y ago

Here's an interesting brief-read: http://lifeprocessprogram.com/lp-blog/library/the-persistent-dangerous-myth-of-heroin-overdose/ http://lifeprocessprogram.com/lp-blog/library/the-persistent... Here's a paper about treating opiate addicts with pure heroin and it having positive effects: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2008.02185.x/abstract http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1360-0443.2008.... If you read up pretty much any information about the dangers of heroin, you will see that they are overdose (which you can prevent by using the right amounts), risk when mixed with other drugs (including alcohol), and risk surrounding it (e.g. sharing needles, committing crimes to afford it, etc.) You're still as likely to get addicted, but if you know the dose you're putting into your body you'll probably be fine. Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin#Adverse_effects https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin#Adverse_effects) cites "Merck Manual of Home Health Handbook – 2nd edition, 2003, p. 2097" for the following statement: "Like most opioids, unadulterated heroin does not cause many long-term complications other than dependence and constipation." Followed by "...purity levels between 40% and 60%; this variation has led to people suffering from overdoses as a result" Pure Heroin is actually prescribed as a legal drug in some countries, e.g. the UK: http://patient.info/medicine/diamorphine http://patient.info/medicine/diamorphine and once inside your body is almost exactly the same as morphine that is prescribed as a painkiller in most countries. These drugs, when prescribed (and therefore completely pure and dosage known), very rarely cause problems for their users other than tolerance build-up and potential for users to use recreationally without knowing what dose to use. So stop being rude and go do some Googling yourself, or ask any doctor the next time you go see one / are in a hospital, and they'll tell you the same thing.

bcook 11y ago
You said "The biggest danger is indeed purity". Nothing that you referenced says that. Yes, it is a part of any drug use and is a big reason to legalize, but purity is not the biggest danger. The physical and psychological dependance are the biggest problem. Adulterants are nearly impossible to study, given the unknowns. Sorry about the "put up or shutup".
blumkvist 11y ago
So... how is the discussion going? Productive? :)
- dang 11y ago
  We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the HN guidelines.
bcook 11y ago
From the information you presented, I did learn that heroin has minimal danger of causing neurotxicity, which is great. Thanks for that. Sincerely, I apologize for being so non-collaborative in our search for answers.
- corin_ 11y ago
  NP. I guess overdose being the biggest risk is subjective - if a substance gets you addicted but never kills you then personally I'd consider that less bad than a substance that doesn't get you addicted but could kill you - so I'd rather use pure heroin than, for example, cocaine or un-pure heroin. Not that I plan on trying regardless, myself.