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- Uhhrrr 11y agoIs there any way in which this is provable?
- gnarbarian 11y agoVideo of an 'incident' ought to do it. With logs tying the perp to one of these groups.
- syoc 11y agoBreitbart wrote about an article about this. (Breitbart, I know I know...) http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/11/04/feminists-are-trying-to-frame-linus-torvalds-for-sexual-assault-claims-open-source-industry-veteran/ http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/11/04/feminists-are-tryin...
- zo1 11y agoWhat is wrong with Breitbart?
- CedarMadness 11y agoThey're pretty right wing, and some of their articles are questionably sourced.
- BryantD 11y agoIn this case, the only source for their article is the ESR blog post. We came very close to the amusing spectacle of ESR blog commenters claiming that the Breitbart post was confirmation of the blog post, but the dude pulled back at the last minute.
- mcv 11y ago"Pretty right wing"? Weren't they enthusiastically embracing the GamerGate crazy too?
- jere 11y agoYup. Enjoy: http://www.breitbart.com/author/milo-yiannopoulos/ http://www.breitbart.com/author/milo-yiannopoulos/
- RIMR 11y agoThis really shows how bad this is if true. Feminists creating an environment in STEM where men in power will be actively discouraged from mentoring or offering opportunities to women out of fear of being framed for sexual assault. I am all about gender equality, but it seems that the Feminist lobby is working against itself more than anything lately. It's sad, because it's a problem that needs to be solved, but not through these vitriolic means...
- smegel 11y agoThis is huge.
- SHIT_TALKER 11y agoIt should be clear that in the current political-ideological climate, any successful white male should consider himself a target. There is an army of zealots who believe your status is undeserved and the result of systemic oppression of which you are now a corporeal representation. They want to tear you down, destroy your life and work via any means possible, and will do it all with the glib and sincere conviction that they are serving the cause of justice.
- JadeNB 11y agoIs there anything more to this than: Eric Raymond says that someone told him, apparently with no substantiation, that "multiple runs" of this sort of bizarre entrapment had occurred? It looks more than a bit paranoid to me, and such allegations seem to demand a serious burden of proof. EDIT: I won't complain about the downvote, but I assume it indicates that the answer is: yes, there's something more to it. I didn't mean to seem snarky (and I have removed editorialising about esr that might have given that effect), and would really appreciate an explanation of why this deserves to be regarded as more than 3rd-hand hearsay.
- redthrowaway 11y agoI'm pretty willing to trust ESR on both the content of his correspondence and the general trustworthiness of his counterpart. It is, as you say, unsubstantiated, but reputation still counts for something.
- mcv 11y agoHe has a reputation on Open Source, but this is hardly his first paranoid conspiracy theory.
- braythwayt 11y agoThere are some number of people who admire the good things ESR has done in a narrow specialization, and carry that over to granting him some authority in areas like conspiracy theorizing where he has not accomplished anything of note. There are some number of people predisposed to believe these things regardless of who says them, because, well, they already believe this happens, so it's just confirmation of their world-view. There isn't anything more presented to us than "Eric Raymond says that someone told him, apparently with no substantiation, that 'multiple runs' of this sort of bizarre entrapment had occurred," but that doesn't mean that members of either of those sets of people will dismiss it outright. Meanwhile, Mr. Raymond's track record on non-Unix subjects like race, guns, foreign policy, and white identity politics are on the Internet for everyone to review and either applaud or boo as they see fit.
- gnarbarian 11y agoI would like to see this make it to the front page so we can see a decent discussion. ESR's source didn't actually provide him any proof or really any explanation of where he got his info at all. But if this gets a little more exposure maybe it will be possible to get Linus himself to weigh in.
- sridca 11y agoThe problem is that stories like this get flag-killed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10510489 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10510489
- gnarbarian 11y agothe link is empty. What were you trying to show me?
- sridca 11y agoYou may want to toggle "showdead" option from your HN profile to be able to view dead submissions and comments.
- DanBC 11y agoAll links from that site are auto-killed. Some are vouched for and rise from the dead.
- DanBC 11y agoIt's not possible to have decent discussion about this. ESR has made a weird claim, has not provided anything at all to back it up, and has made very many weird comments in the past. If we're going to talk about this we may as well just talk about chem-trails or how the moon landings were hoaxed or other stuff that's equally bollocks.
- thiht 11y agoThis is disgusting.
- davidgerard 11y agoLinus Torvalds might have other opinions. Here's an interview with his daughter Patricia, an open source programmer who founded a Feminism Club at high school. http://opensource.com/life/15/8/patricia-torvalds-interview http://opensource.com/life/15/8/patricia-torvalds-interview