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I think this is a systemic problem in Afghanistan. I've heard that once a contract is put up for bidding by the government, someone buys it out, and sub-contra

by oxide 11y ago

I think this is a systemic problem in Afghanistan. I've heard that once a contract is put up for bidding by the government, someone buys it out, and sub-contracts it out a step down the ladder. The sub-contractor sub-contracts it out again another step, and so on. until eventually a local is taking a picture of some other well as proof and everyone gets paid and nothing gets done. I couldn't comment on whether this has any truth to it, I've fortunately never been to Afghanistan and also I don't know anyone who's been. after hearing it, it's hard to imagine things working any other way, looking at the fruit of the time and money.

rdtsc 11y ago
> someone buys it out, and sub-contracts it out a step down the ladder. Yap pretty much. This happens with big and small stuff right here on US soil. There are bid requests that fit only one product, so there is just simply no way anything else would be picked. Product is not named by name, but if you look at list of features it describes it in a unique way. Or there are special handouts to small companies headed by vetereans or women, so people would put their Vietnam era uncle as CEO on paper so the company can get a special contract and so on.
- pmorici 11y ago
  You would also have to give your Vietnam era uncle at least 51% ownership of the company you can't just appoint him to a position of management in name only. I'm not saying this provision of law has never been abused but it isn't the outright farce you are portraying it as. I also wouldn't call the contract awarded under this provision special handouts. federal regulations does give these companies preferred treatment though that can streamline a lot of read tape.
  - GFischer 11y ago
    In Spanish this kind of thing is so common it has its own word: "testaferro" (would loosely translate as frontman or figurehead, but it has a lot more connotations) https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testaferro https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testaferro They can own 100% of the company, they're usually controlled or trusted in some other way.
x5n1 11y ago
And this is why, kids, you don't destabilize third-world government to fight the Communists. Or third world governments to fight for democracy. Or hell third world governments, don't destabilize them! It's a bad idea, sort of like humpty dumpty.
- junto 11y ago
  They put Humpty Dumpty back together but they got some of the parts a bit wrong, and he looks like the Halloween version, and it scares children and adults alike.
  - ChrisAntaki 11y ago
    And they generated a hefty amount of "terror debt" along the way.
- kuschku 11y ago
  Or, in other words: If you want to take over a company, always keep the middle management! They know how everything works and who to ask when special issues might occur. If you want to take over a country, always keep the government officials! They know who to work with, what to do, etc. Firing all tax collectors just to hire them again is a stupid idea. Even worse when you destabilize several countries, make sure all educated people have left the country, and then are left with a bunch of radicals. (Compare: Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan)

by oxide 11y ago

rdtsc 11y ago

> someone buys it out, and sub-contracts it out a step down the ladder. Yap pretty much. This happens with big and small stuff right here on US soil. There are bid requests that fit only one product, so there is just simply no way anything else would be picked. Product is not named by name, but if you look at list of features it describes it in a unique way. Or there are special handouts to small companies headed by vetereans or women, so people would put their Vietnam era uncle as CEO on paper so the company can get a special contract and so on.

pmorici 11y ago
You would also have to give your Vietnam era uncle at least 51% ownership of the company you can't just appoint him to a position of management in name only. I'm not saying this provision of law has never been abused but it isn't the outright farce you are portraying it as. I also wouldn't call the contract awarded under this provision special handouts. federal regulations does give these companies preferred treatment though that can streamline a lot of read tape.
- GFischer 11y ago
  In Spanish this kind of thing is so common it has its own word: "testaferro" (would loosely translate as frontman or figurehead, but it has a lot more connotations) https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testaferro https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testaferro They can own 100% of the company, they're usually controlled or trusted in some other way.

x5n1 11y ago

And this is why, kids, you don't destabilize third-world government to fight the Communists. Or third world governments to fight for democracy. Or hell third world governments, don't destabilize them! It's a bad idea, sort of like humpty dumpty.

junto 11y ago
They put Humpty Dumpty back together but they got some of the parts a bit wrong, and he looks like the Halloween version, and it scares children and adults alike.
- ChrisAntaki 11y ago
  And they generated a hefty amount of "terror debt" along the way.
kuschku 11y ago
Or, in other words: If you want to take over a company, always keep the middle management! They know how everything works and who to ask when special issues might occur. If you want to take over a country, always keep the government officials! They know who to work with, what to do, etc. Firing all tax collectors just to hire them again is a stupid idea. Even worse when you destabilize several countries, make sure all educated people have left the country, and then are left with a bunch of radicals. (Compare: Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan)