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Why do you think meth is worse than heroin?

by avree 11y ago

hoodoof 11y ago
Meth junkies go on violent psychotic rampages killing and injuring other people and have no other thought in their brains except to get more meth. When I read in the newspaper about someone murdering their family I expect, and often find either a statement or suggestion that the perpetrator was using meth. Heroin junkies go to sleep and are making a poor health choice but it is possible with clean heroin to lead a functional life including work and family. Drugs that harm the user are "better" (as such) whereas drugs that result in harm to others are "worse".
- MichaelGG 11y ago
  Apparently the FDA/DEA disagree, as methamphetamine is legal in the US and doctors can prescribe it for attention issues or obesity. Sales are somewhere above $10M a year. (This is just for methamphetamine. Other amphetamines like Adderall sell like 100x more.) Whereas diamorphine, aka Bayer Heroin(TM)[1], is deemed to have zero medicinal qualities. The DEA is almost certainly wrong (as usual), though if amphetamines were easily obtainable at good prices, the market for meth would likely crash. And you're right that real opiates (to contrast with dirt mixed with fentanyl and sold as "heroin") seem to have little negative effects. Most of the damage is due to the legality and financing issues, which are entirely artificial. (Opiates are incredibly cheap to produce.) 1: Trademark stolen as part of WWI "reparations".
- werber 11y ago
  Meth and Heroin addicts tend to be poorer and prone to criminal activity, than pharmaceutical amphetamine and opiate users. Additionally, adverse reactions, are more likely when the drug is unregulated.
  - blumkvist 11y ago
    Do you know how much 1g of heroin cost?
    - werber 11y ago
      It's been a while since I knew people who did heroin, but the people I knew who did it bought it in packs and bundles not grams. One dose (pack) was ~10$ and a bundle which, I think was, 12 doses was ~100$. And if memory serves me correctly Oxycontin was like ~30$ a pill. Too many of the people I used to know died from it, and I frequently think about how things could have been different for the people who overdosed and the people around them were afraid to call for help because it would have put them in criminal jeopardy.
- bcook 11y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_harmfulness https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_harmfulness Notice that heroin is the worst, both personally and socially. This is well established. Also, I would not use popular media as the basis for any sound argument. :( Herion junkies lead a functional life including work and family? Seriously, what the fuck?! Cite just one source that heroin addiction is controllable because the addict uses "clean" heroin. Heroin addiction is the problem, not the adulterants, so purity is unimportant. Wow. :( Edit: This is the first time I wished I could downvote. lol. "Clean" heroin...
  - aianus 11y ago
    > Herion junkies lead a functional life including work and family? Seriously, what the fuck?! Cite just one source that heroin addiction is controllable because the addict uses "clean" heroin. There are countless rock stars, for example, that maintained families and highly successful careers while regularly using heroin. > Heroin addiction is the problem, not the adulterants, so purity is unimportant. Heroin addiction doesn't kill you. What kills you is when you buy a gram that's three times as pure as the last one so you accidentally overdose. Even if you don't believe addicts can lead normal lives, as long as they're shooting up clean, cheap heroin of predictable purity there at least exists a chance of rehabilitation and a normal life in their futures.
    - hoodoof 11y ago
      Agreed. And if your heroin costs cents instead of dollars you don't have to spend your available time trying to steal money to buy it, risking arrest and jail as well as making innocent people victims of your cash-seeking crimes.
    - bcook 11y ago
      Anecdotes are not a valid citation. Heroin is the most harmful drug, statistically, according to numerous studies.
      - ryanlol 11y ago
        Not heroin, but a completely unknown substance presented as heroin that probably consists of around 30% heroin.
ryanlol 11y ago
Heroin related problems are rarely caused by the substance itself, rather lack thereof.

Why do you think meth is worse than heroin?

by avree 11y ago

Why do you think meth is worse than heroin?

Meth junkies go on violent psychotic rampages killing and injuring other people and have no other thought in their brains except to get more meth. When I read in the newspaper about someone murdering their family I expect, and often find either a statement or suggestion that the perpetrator was using meth. Heroin junkies go to sleep and are making a poor health choice but it is possible with clean heroin to lead a functional life including work and family. Drugs that harm the user are "better" (as such) whereas drugs that result in harm to others are "worse".

MichaelGG 11y ago
Apparently the FDA/DEA disagree, as methamphetamine is legal in the US and doctors can prescribe it for attention issues or obesity. Sales are somewhere above $10M a year. (This is just for methamphetamine. Other amphetamines like Adderall sell like 100x more.) Whereas diamorphine, aka Bayer Heroin(TM)[1], is deemed to have zero medicinal qualities. The DEA is almost certainly wrong (as usual), though if amphetamines were easily obtainable at good prices, the market for meth would likely crash. And you're right that real opiates (to contrast with dirt mixed with fentanyl and sold as "heroin") seem to have little negative effects. Most of the damage is due to the legality and financing issues, which are entirely artificial. (Opiates are incredibly cheap to produce.) 1: Trademark stolen as part of WWI "reparations".
werber 11y ago
Meth and Heroin addicts tend to be poorer and prone to criminal activity, than pharmaceutical amphetamine and opiate users. Additionally, adverse reactions, are more likely when the drug is unregulated.
- blumkvist 11y ago
  Do you know how much 1g of heroin cost?
  - werber 11y ago
    It's been a while since I knew people who did heroin, but the people I knew who did it bought it in packs and bundles not grams. One dose (pack) was ~10$ and a bundle which, I think was, 12 doses was ~100$. And if memory serves me correctly Oxycontin was like ~30$ a pill. Too many of the people I used to know died from it, and I frequently think about how things could have been different for the people who overdosed and the people around them were afraid to call for help because it would have put them in criminal jeopardy.
bcook 11y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_harmfulness https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_harmfulness Notice that heroin is the worst, both personally and socially. This is well established. Also, I would not use popular media as the basis for any sound argument. :( Herion junkies lead a functional life including work and family? Seriously, what the fuck?! Cite just one source that heroin addiction is controllable because the addict uses "clean" heroin. Heroin addiction is the problem, not the adulterants, so purity is unimportant. Wow. :( Edit: This is the first time I wished I could downvote. lol. "Clean" heroin...
- aianus 11y ago
  > Herion junkies lead a functional life including work and family? Seriously, what the fuck?! Cite just one source that heroin addiction is controllable because the addict uses "clean" heroin. There are countless rock stars, for example, that maintained families and highly successful careers while regularly using heroin. > Heroin addiction is the problem, not the adulterants, so purity is unimportant. Heroin addiction doesn't kill you. What kills you is when you buy a gram that's three times as pure as the last one so you accidentally overdose. Even if you don't believe addicts can lead normal lives, as long as they're shooting up clean, cheap heroin of predictable purity there at least exists a chance of rehabilitation and a normal life in their futures.
  - hoodoof 11y ago
    Agreed. And if your heroin costs cents instead of dollars you don't have to spend your available time trying to steal money to buy it, risking arrest and jail as well as making innocent people victims of your cash-seeking crimes.
  - bcook 11y ago
    Anecdotes are not a valid citation. Heroin is the most harmful drug, statistically, according to numerous studies.
    - ryanlol 11y ago
      Not heroin, but a completely unknown substance presented as heroin that probably consists of around 30% heroin.

ryanlol 11y ago

Heroin related problems are rarely caused by the substance itself, rather lack thereof.