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> If primary education isn't child rearing, nothing is. Schools are absolutely there to raise the child. By that logic, what exactly is the parents job then?

jonesb6 11y ago
Generally whatever they end up doing between 9 and 5. Traditionally this would entail one parent working and the other staying at home, of which the one staying at home might spend an hour in the morning getting the child ready and an hour picking them up / shuttling them to extracurriculars or whatever. In the mean time it is assumed that parent would do house work or other family oriented activities like shopping, cooking, finances, etc. Hasn't this been the status quo in all societies with "modern" education? Genuinely curious.
jkyle 11y ago
> By that logic, what exactly is the parents job then? Why must only one person have a duty to raise a child? For most of human history "it takes a village" was canon with regard to child rearing. On most days of the week, a school is often responsible for the welfare of a child for more hours of the day than the parent. Seven or eight hours of school, several hours of after school activities. How can you not see this activity as child rearing?
- ryanhuff 11y ago
  My wife is a primary school teacher, and she barely has time to get through the mandated material. There is no time for "parenting" tasks, beyond basic safety and welfare. And even if she did, the child's family's values are often not in alignment with my wife's. More than once, simple discipline tools have been challenged by parent to effectively remove any consequences for ill-behavior by the student. So while you may view the role of school as an extension of parenting, many parents regularly stick their noses into the school environment to dictate their own norms, and you cannot have one teacher "parenting" 30 different ways.
  - jkyle 11y ago
    > she barely has time to get through the mandated material My mother being a public school teacher for many decades, you'll get no disagreement from me that teachers are over extended and under resourced. > There is no time for "parenting" tasks, beyond basic safety and welfare. Most of parenting is safety, welfare, and being a positive example. > And even if she did, the child's family's values are often not in alignment with my wife's. More than once, simple discipline tools have been challenged by parent to effectively remove any consequences for ill-behavior by the student. I'm not sure consensus is a requirement for parenting. Even within marriages, consensus isn't guaranteed. > So while you may view the role of school as an extension of parenting, many parents regularly stick their noses into the school environment to dictate their own norms, and you cannot have one teacher "parenting" 30 different ways. I don't really see it as a view. Rather an observed fact. Whether they are equipped to do it well or poorly with or without conflict are details about the mode and quality with which they help raise a child rather. They rear our children by virtue of being a primary authority figure and adult mentor for most of their lives previous to adulthood. "Parenting" is a bit of a nebulous term. Many don't think most parents do a good job of parenting. But child rearing is unambiguous. The school system undoubtedly rears our children.
panglott 11y ago
Also child rearing? The largest single factor on a student's educational outcomes is not any in-school factor, but the educational background and socioeconomic status of their parents.
anonbanker 11y ago
legal guardianship awarded by the state, and fiscal liability for 18 years, basically.

jonesb6 11y ago

Generally whatever they end up doing between 9 and 5. Traditionally this would entail one parent working and the other staying at home, of which the one staying at home might spend an hour in the morning getting the child ready and an hour picking them up / shuttling them to extracurriculars or whatever. In the mean time it is assumed that parent would do house work or other family oriented activities like shopping, cooking, finances, etc. Hasn't this been the status quo in all societies with "modern" education? Genuinely curious.

jkyle 11y ago

> By that logic, what exactly is the parents job then? Why must only one person have a duty to raise a child? For most of human history "it takes a village" was canon with regard to child rearing. On most days of the week, a school is often responsible for the welfare of a child for more hours of the day than the parent. Seven or eight hours of school, several hours of after school activities. How can you not see this activity as child rearing?

ryanhuff 11y ago
My wife is a primary school teacher, and she barely has time to get through the mandated material. There is no time for "parenting" tasks, beyond basic safety and welfare. And even if she did, the child's family's values are often not in alignment with my wife's. More than once, simple discipline tools have been challenged by parent to effectively remove any consequences for ill-behavior by the student. So while you may view the role of school as an extension of parenting, many parents regularly stick their noses into the school environment to dictate their own norms, and you cannot have one teacher "parenting" 30 different ways.
- jkyle 11y ago
  > she barely has time to get through the mandated material My mother being a public school teacher for many decades, you'll get no disagreement from me that teachers are over extended and under resourced. > There is no time for "parenting" tasks, beyond basic safety and welfare. Most of parenting is safety, welfare, and being a positive example. > And even if she did, the child's family's values are often not in alignment with my wife's. More than once, simple discipline tools have been challenged by parent to effectively remove any consequences for ill-behavior by the student. I'm not sure consensus is a requirement for parenting. Even within marriages, consensus isn't guaranteed. > So while you may view the role of school as an extension of parenting, many parents regularly stick their noses into the school environment to dictate their own norms, and you cannot have one teacher "parenting" 30 different ways. I don't really see it as a view. Rather an observed fact. Whether they are equipped to do it well or poorly with or without conflict are details about the mode and quality with which they help raise a child rather. They rear our children by virtue of being a primary authority figure and adult mentor for most of their lives previous to adulthood. "Parenting" is a bit of a nebulous term. Many don't think most parents do a good job of parenting. But child rearing is unambiguous. The school system undoubtedly rears our children.

panglott 11y ago

Also child rearing? The largest single factor on a student's educational outcomes is not any in-school factor, but the educational background and socioeconomic status of their parents.

anonbanker 11y ago

legal guardianship awarded by the state, and fiscal liability for 18 years, basically.