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There is something very narcissistic about all that. Basically, among gifted students, their child's position was in the middle of the bell-curve. That is a na

There is something very narcissistic about all that. Basically, among gifted students, their child's position was in the middle of the bell-curve. That is a natural thing when there are smarter kids around, that are a better scoring group then your previous one. The parents then go on to blame society and the school for not dedicating significantly more resources towards their child, at the expense of the other students. The schools are not their to raise the child, that is the parents' job.

astazangasta 11y ago
>The schools are not their to raise the child, that is the parents' job. If primary education isn't child rearing, nothing is. Schools are absolutely there to raise the child.
- powertower 11y ago
  > If primary education isn't child rearing, nothing is. Schools are absolutely there to raise the child. By that logic, what exactly is the parents job then?
  - jonesb6 11y ago
    Generally whatever they end up doing between 9 and 5. Traditionally this would entail one parent working and the other staying at home, of which the one staying at home might spend an hour in the morning getting the child ready and an hour picking them up / shuttling them to extracurriculars or whatever. In the mean time it is assumed that parent would do house work or other family oriented activities like shopping, cooking, finances, etc. Hasn't this been the status quo in all societies with "modern" education? Genuinely curious.
  - jkyle 11y ago
    > By that logic, what exactly is the parents job then? Why must only one person have a duty to raise a child? For most of human history "it takes a village" was canon with regard to child rearing. On most days of the week, a school is often responsible for the welfare of a child for more hours of the day than the parent. Seven or eight hours of school, several hours of after school activities. How can you not see this activity as child rearing?
    - ryanhuff 11y ago
      My wife is a primary school teacher, and she barely has time to get through the mandated material. There is no time for "parenting" tasks, beyond basic safety and welfare. And even if she did, the child's family's values are often not in alignment with my wife's. More than once, simple discipline tools have been challenged by parent to effectively remove any consequences for ill-behavior by the student. So while you may view the role of school as an extension of parenting, many parents regularly stick their noses into the school environment to dictate their own norms, and you cannot have one teacher "parenting" 30 different ways.
      - jkyle 11y ago
        > she barely has time to get through the mandated material My mother being a public school teacher for many decades, you'll get no disagreement from me that teachers are over extended and under resourced. > There is no time for "parenting" tasks, beyond basic safety and welfare. Most of parenting is safety, welfare, and being a positive example. > And even if she did, the child's family's values are often not in alignment with my wife's. More than once, simple discipline tools have been challenged by parent to effectively remove any consequences for ill-behavior by the student. I'm not sure consensus is a requirement for parenting. Even within marriages, consensus isn't guaranteed. > So while you may view the role of school as an extension of parenting, many parents regularly stick their noses into the school environment to dictate their own norms, and you cannot have one teacher "parenting" 30 different ways. I don't really see it as a view. Rather an observed fact. Whether they are equipped to do it well or poorly with or without conflict are details about the mode and quality with which they help raise a child rather. They rear our children by virtue of being a primary authority figure and adult mentor for most of their lives previous to adulthood. "Parenting" is a bit of a nebulous term. Many don't think most parents do a good job of parenting. But child rearing is unambiguous. The school system undoubtedly rears our children.
  - panglott 11y ago
    Also child rearing? The largest single factor on a student's educational outcomes is not any in-school factor, but the educational background and socioeconomic status of their parents.
  - anonbanker 11y ago
    legal guardianship awarded by the state, and fiscal liability for 18 years, basically.
- rsync 11y ago
  ">The schools are not their to raise the child, that is the parents' job. If primary education isn't child rearing, nothing is. Schools are absolutely there to raise the child." The schools are not their to raise the child, that is the parents' job.
  - el_fuser 11y ago
    Sure they are... Your kid spends 6-10 hours per day under their direction. Often they spend more time with kids than the kids' parents.
  - Lawtonfogle 11y ago
    Then why do they have children spend 6+ hours a day there every day for 3/4s a year? Taxpayer funded babysitting? School is there to raise children, but they do play a lesser role compared to parents and cannot make up for absent parents. It is really to outsource the parts of child rearing that we can both scale up and have a general consensus on. (And to some extent, it does sometimes seem to be about babysitting.)
- ryanhuff 11y ago
  A large part of the value to primary school is socialization with a peer group.
antod 11y ago
Did you read the same article I did? Or at least did you get to the bottom? IMO they seem to be saying something very different to that - eg: > Before you enter the rat race, I urge parents to question what and against whom you and your kids are racing. It doesn’t freaking matter where your neighbor’s kid went to school. It just doesn’t. Please stop comparing, judging and drawing conclusions. The kids feel it. They know it’s happening, and it is hurting them very deeply. They aren't complaining about the school - they are passing on their lessons of their mistakes to other hyper competitive parents.

astazangasta 11y ago

>The schools are not their to raise the child, that is the parents' job. If primary education isn't child rearing, nothing is. Schools are absolutely there to raise the child.

powertower 11y ago
> If primary education isn't child rearing, nothing is. Schools are absolutely there to raise the child. By that logic, what exactly is the parents job then?
- jonesb6 11y ago
  Generally whatever they end up doing between 9 and 5. Traditionally this would entail one parent working and the other staying at home, of which the one staying at home might spend an hour in the morning getting the child ready and an hour picking them up / shuttling them to extracurriculars or whatever. In the mean time it is assumed that parent would do house work or other family oriented activities like shopping, cooking, finances, etc. Hasn't this been the status quo in all societies with "modern" education? Genuinely curious.
- jkyle 11y ago
  > By that logic, what exactly is the parents job then? Why must only one person have a duty to raise a child? For most of human history "it takes a village" was canon with regard to child rearing. On most days of the week, a school is often responsible for the welfare of a child for more hours of the day than the parent. Seven or eight hours of school, several hours of after school activities. How can you not see this activity as child rearing?
  - ryanhuff 11y ago
    My wife is a primary school teacher, and she barely has time to get through the mandated material. There is no time for "parenting" tasks, beyond basic safety and welfare. And even if she did, the child's family's values are often not in alignment with my wife's. More than once, simple discipline tools have been challenged by parent to effectively remove any consequences for ill-behavior by the student. So while you may view the role of school as an extension of parenting, many parents regularly stick their noses into the school environment to dictate their own norms, and you cannot have one teacher "parenting" 30 different ways.
    - jkyle 11y ago
      > she barely has time to get through the mandated material My mother being a public school teacher for many decades, you'll get no disagreement from me that teachers are over extended and under resourced. > There is no time for "parenting" tasks, beyond basic safety and welfare. Most of parenting is safety, welfare, and being a positive example. > And even if she did, the child's family's values are often not in alignment with my wife's. More than once, simple discipline tools have been challenged by parent to effectively remove any consequences for ill-behavior by the student. I'm not sure consensus is a requirement for parenting. Even within marriages, consensus isn't guaranteed. > So while you may view the role of school as an extension of parenting, many parents regularly stick their noses into the school environment to dictate their own norms, and you cannot have one teacher "parenting" 30 different ways. I don't really see it as a view. Rather an observed fact. Whether they are equipped to do it well or poorly with or without conflict are details about the mode and quality with which they help raise a child rather. They rear our children by virtue of being a primary authority figure and adult mentor for most of their lives previous to adulthood. "Parenting" is a bit of a nebulous term. Many don't think most parents do a good job of parenting. But child rearing is unambiguous. The school system undoubtedly rears our children.
- panglott 11y ago
  Also child rearing? The largest single factor on a student's educational outcomes is not any in-school factor, but the educational background and socioeconomic status of their parents.
- anonbanker 11y ago
  legal guardianship awarded by the state, and fiscal liability for 18 years, basically.
rsync 11y ago
">The schools are not their to raise the child, that is the parents' job. If primary education isn't child rearing, nothing is. Schools are absolutely there to raise the child." The schools are not their to raise the child, that is the parents' job.
- el_fuser 11y ago
  Sure they are... Your kid spends 6-10 hours per day under their direction. Often they spend more time with kids than the kids' parents.
- Lawtonfogle 11y ago
  Then why do they have children spend 6+ hours a day there every day for 3/4s a year? Taxpayer funded babysitting? School is there to raise children, but they do play a lesser role compared to parents and cannot make up for absent parents. It is really to outsource the parts of child rearing that we can both scale up and have a general consensus on. (And to some extent, it does sometimes seem to be about babysitting.)
ryanhuff 11y ago
A large part of the value to primary school is socialization with a peer group.

antod 11y ago

Did you read the same article I did? Or at least did you get to the bottom? IMO they seem to be saying something very different to that - eg: > Before you enter the rat race, I urge parents to question what and against whom you and your kids are racing. It doesn’t freaking matter where your neighbor’s kid went to school. It just doesn’t. Please stop comparing, judging and drawing conclusions. The kids feel it. They know it’s happening, and it is hurting them very deeply. They aren't complaining about the school - they are passing on their lessons of their mistakes to other hyper competitive parents.