I'm not sure how useful this comment will be be but I thought I would weigh in with my own experience of suicidal thoughts. I have experienced serious suicidal

I'm not sure how useful this comment will be be but I thought I would weigh in with my own experience of suicidal thoughts. I have experienced serious suicidal thoughts in the past and still do from time to time. In the past (we're talking 10 years or so ago) it was definitely due to depression. I don't feel this way anymore though. At least, not that I can tell. It's more of a philisophical exercise these days, thinking about what suicide means and what it would be like to experience, the people left behind, the scientific, philisophical and symbolic gesture of opting to end your own existence etc. Sometimes I entertain the idea of suicide just because I'm so utterly bored or frustrated with life and people in it. I wouldn't describe it as depression as such, just a sense of being unimpressed with the way things work. The way people think, they way they treat eachother, the selfishness and deceit at the heart of all people whether they believe it about themselves or not. The fact that eventually the solar system, the galaxy and the universe will cease to exist and it all would have been pointless anyway. I suppose it is more of a cynicism and misanthropy. I kept it from friends and family, still do except for one friend who pretty much thinks the way I do, on most things. Not out of some sense of possibly appearing weak or 'not a man' though. It is entirely because I feel that if I do eventually decide to check out one day, it's my decision and I don't want anyone stopping me (and likely putting me in an institution). They don't have the right because it is my decision. I'm not that enamoured with life that I need rescuing by someone with the audacity to start making decisions on my behalf. It seems like the height of arrogance to me. Not sure how helpful this is and I'm not trying to disparage the feelings of other men who might be experiencing suicidal thoughts and are afraid to tell anyone. They definitely do need help. I just wanted to offer a another view, as I am sure I can't be the only one.