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> "No one knows for sure why this strategy failed" We've launched the Hubble but the general public is still reading horoscopes, there's gonna be a reality vs

by VLM 11y ago

> "No one knows for sure why this strategy failed" We've launched the Hubble but the general public is still reading horoscopes, there's gonna be a reality vs culture disagreement. Completely ignoring the psychological impact. You are fat you suck you are a lower class loser you should be made to suffer we should all shame you now go cry in a corner and eat horrible tasting unsatisfying high carb / low fat special diet food, oh look high carb makes you even fatter well being fat is the modern witchcraft trial so you deserve your pain and suffering you suck now die young you need will power. You will crave and suffer and you should enjoy it because thats what your kind deserves, craving and pain. That's traditional neopuritan original sin dietary advice as pounded into us for decades, in a nutshell. Personally I think its a complete load of crap, and medical science has advanced beyond it but culture still hasn't. Compare that with the psychological impact of: its not your fault, there was a major scientific and marketing screw up and high carb actually makes you very fat, aren't steaks tasty and savory and luxurious and aren't salads yummy now enjoy your low carb diet. Tastes great, doesn't it? Life should be without cravings and suffering, isn't it awesome not to feel bad? And oh my god does it piss people off that you're losing weight without neopuritan suffering, like they want to slap you so you can feel the pain you deserve as a loser fatty subhuman how dare you climb out of the lobster pot, its a sin to say you don't belong in purgatory how dare you blaspheme against the holy authorities. They can't feel good unless they see you suffer. That's before you try to get between an addict and his corn syrup fix, then the freak out really gets started. You think you've seen alcoholics and nicotine addicts rationalize, you haven't really seen anything until you get between a sugar addict and his corn syrup. This is before we get into the staggering secondary effects of high carb making people lethargic and tired whereas low carb subjectively feels like being on energy drinks all the time, and that leads to a lot of bro-science about protein magically melting away fat, when reality is high carb leads to laying on the couch two hours later watching TV while snacking feeling exhausted and low carb leads to playing with the kids in the park or going on a hike an hour later and feeling energized. Sure you are the same 800 calories but two hours later the high carb guy is eating a 400 calorie snack while laying exhausted on a couch watching TV and the low carb guy is exercising burning 50 calories per hour on a hiking trail ... its not magic that protein and fat seems to melt fat off a body.

kasdkljqweqwkj 11y ago
I dont even know where to start with this wall of text. There's a lot of fat people self-persecuting to find a reason to be upset. More to the point, medical science still says that being fat lowers your life span, and you seem to be implying there is even an iota of truth to the Health At Every Size nonsense being spewed for fat justification and medical science denial. If I stood a room with 10 fat people selected at random 9 would have no willpower, and one MIGHT have a condition warranting their weight. In fact, being fat IS your fault even with a condition, because you are not being considerate of your personal needs, or overindulging in dopamine releasing delicious carbs because you're a fiend. High carbs don't make you fat, just like low carbs don't make you fat. Avoiding carbs altogether eliminates many bad foods that make you fat, and as a by product causes you to lose weight. Weight loss is strictly calories in vs calories out, and always will be. Want to lose weight? Have some self control and eat less - its that simple. How do you explain the average weight of an Asian person being much lower than ours, and they consume a considerable amount of carbs? You have a lot of sources to cite regarding carbs. A LOT. When I was bodybuilding I ate 400g of carbs a day - more than your average fat person, and felt like I had more energy to do things than when I was on a 100g of carbs a day cut. I'm pretty sure you actually have no idea what you're talking about. Quit trying to rationalize being fat and do something about it.
- chrisdbaldwin 11y ago
  I'm pretty sure you actually have no idea what you're talking about.
gamblor956 11y ago
As with all things, it depends. If you mostly engage in moderate-to-low intensity physical activity (of short or long durations), low carb diets can work because your body's fats can theoretically supply all the energy you need. High-intensity (i.e., anaerobic) physical activity requires carbs, as fats and proteins cannot be converted into the appropriate fuel (i.e., ATP) fast enough to meet the body's demands. (For anaerobic activity, the body relies primarily on glucose stored in the muscles and blood.) However, the dividing line between high intensity and moderate intensity comes down to the individual's physical fitness. For example, a professional marathoner could run a 7 minute pace as an easy/recovery pace for dozens of miles relying solely on their fat reserves to fuel the run; for most people a 7 minute pace is faster than they can run a quarter mile and would be fueled out of glucose stores.

by VLM 11y ago

kasdkljqweqwkj 11y ago

I dont even know where to start with this wall of text. There's a lot of fat people self-persecuting to find a reason to be upset. More to the point, medical science still says that being fat lowers your life span, and you seem to be implying there is even an iota of truth to the Health At Every Size nonsense being spewed for fat justification and medical science denial. If I stood a room with 10 fat people selected at random 9 would have no willpower, and one MIGHT have a condition warranting their weight. In fact, being fat IS your fault even with a condition, because you are not being considerate of your personal needs, or overindulging in dopamine releasing delicious carbs because you're a fiend. High carbs don't make you fat, just like low carbs don't make you fat. Avoiding carbs altogether eliminates many bad foods that make you fat, and as a by product causes you to lose weight. Weight loss is strictly calories in vs calories out, and always will be. Want to lose weight? Have some self control and eat less - its that simple. How do you explain the average weight of an Asian person being much lower than ours, and they consume a considerable amount of carbs? You have a lot of sources to cite regarding carbs. A LOT. When I was bodybuilding I ate 400g of carbs a day - more than your average fat person, and felt like I had more energy to do things than when I was on a 100g of carbs a day cut. I'm pretty sure you actually have no idea what you're talking about. Quit trying to rationalize being fat and do something about it.

chrisdbaldwin 11y ago
I'm pretty sure you actually have no idea what you're talking about.

gamblor956 11y ago

As with all things, it depends. If you mostly engage in moderate-to-low intensity physical activity (of short or long durations), low carb diets can work because your body's fats can theoretically supply all the energy you need. High-intensity (i.e., anaerobic) physical activity requires carbs, as fats and proteins cannot be converted into the appropriate fuel (i.e., ATP) fast enough to meet the body's demands. (For anaerobic activity, the body relies primarily on glucose stored in the muscles and blood.) However, the dividing line between high intensity and moderate intensity comes down to the individual's physical fitness. For example, a professional marathoner could run a 7 minute pace as an easy/recovery pace for dozens of miles relying solely on their fat reserves to fuel the run; for most people a 7 minute pace is faster than they can run a quarter mile and would be fueled out of glucose stores.