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Processed fat? There is absolutely no problem within population with cultures traditionally relying heavily on fresh/unprocessed (0-day fresh chicken/mutton) m

Processed fat? There is absolutely no problem within population with cultures traditionally relying heavily on fresh/unprocessed (0-day fresh chicken/mutton) meat diet (Kashmir, Ladakh, Pakistan, etc).

Sharlin 11y ago
Heavy? The per-capita meat consumption in Pakistan is five to ten times less than in the West.
- dschiptsov 11y ago
  That means nothing. What is important is what are traditional everyday dishes and how they cook them. Hint: everything that was brought 0-day fresh in the morning has been sold/eaten till night. The cooking is also quite simple - no overheating, mostly boiled (different kinds of curries, to get maximum value for a money spent). Perhaps, before conducting studies one has to understand cooking. That overheated fat is not the same as slowly boiled fat, that pure butter has nothing in common with margarine, and no one knows what kind of shit corporations and fastfood joints are using to save costs while processing junk food. Tribal/traditional foods tells you what is good and what is bad (and most economically efficient for given location) without any crappy studies. There is also Chinese/Thai tradition in cooking of not overboiling foods, which, it seems, has a substantial impact on health in the long run. And to hire a professional cook in the research team is a good idea.)
  - Sharlin 11y ago
    > That means nothing. That's an empty claim without evidence.
    - dschiptsov 11y ago
      I've explained my logic. One doesn't have to be a machine learning expert to notice the correlation between health issues and overconsumption of processed/junk foods. Traditional foods, on the contrary, are evolved, so causation is not in the base ingredients, but in processing and substitutes.
      - Sharlin 11y ago
        One sees what one wants to see. There's also a correlation of consumption of any meat and health issues. I don't claim to know what is the real causation here, but presumably it's more complicated than "processed==bad", especially as "processed" has no good definition and is mostly used as a fnord to make people uncomfortable.
        dschiptsov 11y ago
        >There's also a correlation of consumption of any meat and health issues. Nope. Meat is just an evolutionary adaptation which allows the human race to inhabit northern regions. There are obviously some crosscultural differences in comsumption of meat, but there are no replicable studies that meat eaters of, say, Japan, Middle East, Greece, Georgia or Nepal are worse off than strict vegetarians of India. This adaptation happened, perhaps, at Homo Erectus time, so, do not worry, everything is already OK. What we never had in our long past are supplements and substitutes. One should look here.
        pd1 11y ago
        We also never in our long past lived past 60.
        dschiptsov 11y ago
        I should have put supplements in double quotes.
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kiba 11y ago
Processed food is how we eat food for thousand of years. Smoked, salted, fermented, whatever you called it, it's processed. Even cooking rendered the food 'processed'.

Sharlin 11y ago

Heavy? The per-capita meat consumption in Pakistan is five to ten times less than in the West.

dschiptsov 11y ago
That means nothing. What is important is what are traditional everyday dishes and how they cook them. Hint: everything that was brought 0-day fresh in the morning has been sold/eaten till night. The cooking is also quite simple - no overheating, mostly boiled (different kinds of curries, to get maximum value for a money spent). Perhaps, before conducting studies one has to understand cooking. That overheated fat is not the same as slowly boiled fat, that pure butter has nothing in common with margarine, and no one knows what kind of shit corporations and fastfood joints are using to save costs while processing junk food. Tribal/traditional foods tells you what is good and what is bad (and most economically efficient for given location) without any crappy studies. There is also Chinese/Thai tradition in cooking of not overboiling foods, which, it seems, has a substantial impact on health in the long run. And to hire a professional cook in the research team is a good idea.)
- Sharlin 11y ago
  > That means nothing. That's an empty claim without evidence.
  - dschiptsov 11y ago
    I've explained my logic. One doesn't have to be a machine learning expert to notice the correlation between health issues and overconsumption of processed/junk foods. Traditional foods, on the contrary, are evolved, so causation is not in the base ingredients, but in processing and substitutes.
    - Sharlin 11y ago
      One sees what one wants to see. There's also a correlation of consumption of any meat and health issues. I don't claim to know what is the real causation here, but presumably it's more complicated than "processed==bad", especially as "processed" has no good definition and is mostly used as a fnord to make people uncomfortable.
      - dschiptsov 11y ago
        >There's also a correlation of consumption of any meat and health issues. Nope. Meat is just an evolutionary adaptation which allows the human race to inhabit northern regions. There are obviously some crosscultural differences in comsumption of meat, but there are no replicable studies that meat eaters of, say, Japan, Middle East, Greece, Georgia or Nepal are worse off than strict vegetarians of India. This adaptation happened, perhaps, at Homo Erectus time, so, do not worry, everything is already OK. What we never had in our long past are supplements and substitutes. One should look here.
        pd1 11y ago
        We also never in our long past lived past 60.
        dschiptsov 11y ago
        I should have put supplements in double quotes.
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kiba 11y ago

Processed food is how we eat food for thousand of years. Smoked, salted, fermented, whatever you called it, it's processed. Even cooking rendered the food 'processed'.