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So what, in the above "wall of text", is wrong about Scala or Kotlin? Maybe just check the responses from the last fifteen dozen times? It's not that hard

So what, in the above "wall of text", is wrong about Scala or Kotlin? Maybe just check the responses from the last fifteen dozen times? It's not that hard. You're not telling what was incorrect, just that the author is _always_ incorrect, which strikes me as hyperbole. I'm not telling anything. The Scala and Ceylon designers did. They probably know better than me, or him.

EdwardDiego 11y ago
> Maybe just check the responses from the last fifteen dozen times? It's not that hard. So you have no valid criticism of the present statement then? Good to know.
- justthistime_ 11y ago
  What is your problem? No need to be so passive-aggressive. :-) If you don't want to hear it right from the people who should know it best, I can't help you.
  - EdwardDiego 11y ago
    You're strongly objecting to what he's saying now, but you can't tell me what is incorrect in what he said? Which strongly suggests that you're objecting to the person saying it, not the said.
    - justthistime_ 11y ago
      Please, take everything he says as a gospel if you can't be bothered to read up on the replies he received the last dozen times. Hint: There is one in this thread.
      - dang 11y ago
        You've posted dozens of flamewar-style comments about this over the last few days, including many that are bannable offenses, like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10472985 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10472985. This is unacceptable here and we've banned your account. If you don't want it to stay banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com. We're always happy to unban people when they give us reason to believe they'll follow the rules in the future.
pron 11y ago
You may have accidentally confused the characters. It wasn't me who was told by Scala's designer my facts were wrong (that never happened; well, I'm sure I've got many facts wrong in my lifetime, but Martin Odersky has never called me out on any), but you, and only 3 days ago. Not only did he find you wrong but also rude, and as someone who actually tries to correct a true inaccuracy, he pointed out quite specifically (though very politely) what you got wrong[1] rather than just yelling FUD as some other people do whenever someone voices an opinion they don't like to hear. BTW, I can attest to modersky's statement, as I personally witnessed him and Andrey Breslav talking and exchanging ideas on more than one occasion. As to gavinking, well, he and I have rarely seen eye to eye, but he, too, hasn't pointed to a factual error on my part. Now, you can make an original contribution to this discussion or not, but you should stop with the personal attacks. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10480284 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10480284
- justthistime__ 11y ago
  As the Scala tech lead, I'm glad to learn we've finally adopted "almost every new PL concept!" I guess by now everyone will recognize your username and adjust for bias accordingly, but still, how about sticking to the facts?
  - pron 11y ago
    Sigh. No wrong facts. He (not the language's designer, BTW) just didn't like my use of (obvious) hyperbole. In any case, I really suggest you drop this. I am not an enemy of Scala. Unlike adriaanm's assertion (and that is a false statement of fact), I am not even biased against it. I was an early enthusiast, I gave it a very serious try, and I just really didn't like it. Yes, I think it is not a good language for use by the industry. I am not uninformed, I am not wrong, I have just reached different conclusions from you. So what? I, like many others, just don't like the language, and we all have very valid reasons to, just as those who do like it have their own equally valid reasons. Do you know how many people don't like the languages I like? You know how many of them find those languages unfit for use by the industry? And many of them are much more hostile in their objections than I've ever been. However, they, too, have very good reasons not to like them, while I have very good reasons of my own. If you go on a personal attack against anyone who doesn't like the things you like, it won't serve your goals in the least. In any case, I don't mind arguing over language design (politely!) with you or anyone else, and I realize full well (as should you) that it can sometimes be a very personal preference with no wrong or right answers -- just many opinions, many of them valid -- but please keep to the subject and be original.

EdwardDiego 11y ago

> Maybe just check the responses from the last fifteen dozen times? It's not that hard. So you have no valid criticism of the present statement then? Good to know.

justthistime_ 11y ago
What is your problem? No need to be so passive-aggressive. :-) If you don't want to hear it right from the people who should know it best, I can't help you.
- EdwardDiego 11y ago
  You're strongly objecting to what he's saying now, but you can't tell me what is incorrect in what he said? Which strongly suggests that you're objecting to the person saying it, not the said.
  - justthistime_ 11y ago
    Please, take everything he says as a gospel if you can't be bothered to read up on the replies he received the last dozen times. Hint: There is one in this thread.
    - dang 11y ago
      You've posted dozens of flamewar-style comments about this over the last few days, including many that are bannable offenses, like https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10472985 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10472985. This is unacceptable here and we've banned your account. If you don't want it to stay banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com. We're always happy to unban people when they give us reason to believe they'll follow the rules in the future.

pron 11y ago

You may have accidentally confused the characters. It wasn't me who was told by Scala's designer my facts were wrong (that never happened; well, I'm sure I've got many facts wrong in my lifetime, but Martin Odersky has never called me out on any), but you, and only 3 days ago. Not only did he find you wrong but also rude, and as someone who actually tries to correct a true inaccuracy, he pointed out quite specifically (though very politely) what you got wrong[1] rather than just yelling FUD as some other people do whenever someone voices an opinion they don't like to hear. BTW, I can attest to modersky's statement, as I personally witnessed him and Andrey Breslav talking and exchanging ideas on more than one occasion. As to gavinking, well, he and I have rarely seen eye to eye, but he, too, hasn't pointed to a factual error on my part. Now, you can make an original contribution to this discussion or not, but you should stop with the personal attacks. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10480284 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10480284

justthistime__ 11y ago
As the Scala tech lead, I'm glad to learn we've finally adopted "almost every new PL concept!" I guess by now everyone will recognize your username and adjust for bias accordingly, but still, how about sticking to the facts?
- pron 11y ago
  Sigh. No wrong facts. He (not the language's designer, BTW) just didn't like my use of (obvious) hyperbole. In any case, I really suggest you drop this. I am not an enemy of Scala. Unlike adriaanm's assertion (and that is a false statement of fact), I am not even biased against it. I was an early enthusiast, I gave it a very serious try, and I just really didn't like it. Yes, I think it is not a good language for use by the industry. I am not uninformed, I am not wrong, I have just reached different conclusions from you. So what? I, like many others, just don't like the language, and we all have very valid reasons to, just as those who do like it have their own equally valid reasons. Do you know how many people don't like the languages I like? You know how many of them find those languages unfit for use by the industry? And many of them are much more hostile in their objections than I've ever been. However, they, too, have very good reasons not to like them, while I have very good reasons of my own. If you go on a personal attack against anyone who doesn't like the things you like, it won't serve your goals in the least. In any case, I don't mind arguing over language design (politely!) with you or anyone else, and I realize full well (as should you) that it can sometimes be a very personal preference with no wrong or right answers -- just many opinions, many of them valid -- but please keep to the subject and be original.