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Produced by Alex Kurtzman who was also the producer of Michael Bay's Transformers , Star Trek remakes which are basically the lowest common denominator action m
by s5edvvddd 11y ago
Produced by Alex Kurtzman who was also the producer of Michael Bay's Transformers , Star Trek remakes which are basically the lowest common denominator action movies, and Scorpion the series about incredibly incorrect portrayal of hacking and hackers.
This is going to be action schlock, a series like TNG will never be made again.
I don't want too sound too depressing, just letting you know to adjust your expectations.
- untog 11y agoI'll be the contrarian optimist: Star Trek movies are, on average, bad. Compare Star Trek: Nemesis to an episode of TNG - it's guilty of everything you attribute to the new Star Trek movies. The only reason it got a pass was because of the goodwill that the TNG show garnered for its characters. So I choose to believe/hope that a TV show isn't doomed to have the same outlook as the movie. I expect I may well be wrong, but...
- Jtsummers 11y agoNemesis didn't get a pass with any fans I know. It's pretty much considered the worst of the first ten movies excluding possibly 5, depending on the fan.
- ConceptJunkie 11y agoOh, V was much worse. Much, much worse.
- Jtsummers 11y agoI've had friends put V and X on the same level, but personally I agree.
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- malgb 11y agoInsurrection was the closest film to a TV episode.
- LordKano 11y agoInsurrection is my favorite of the Star Trek films and I hadn't thought of it that way before but I think you nailed it. With the exception of Riker steering the Enterprise with that hidden Gravis Blackhawk joystick, it was very much like a feature length episode of the TV series.
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- malgb 11y agoYeah, my favourite too, even though it has low ratings.
- InclinedPlane 11y agoStar Trek movies are, for the most part, action focused instead of story or plot focused. But there have still been some movies that exemplified Star Trek fairly well. The Motion Picture, though much maligned, is a good example, as is Star Trek IV, though it's a bit campy. In Star Trek VI the values of Star Trek come through pretty well. The movies were different than the TV show but there was still a shadow of the values and intellectualism from the show in the movies. For the modern remakes that's simply completely absent. And imagining that a show made by people who don't understand Star Trek will somehow begin to embody its values and qualities is, frankly, magical thinking. It'll be fast-paced, it'll be gritty, it'll be dark, it'll be chock full of action and "intrigue" but it'll be brain-dead.
- amalcon 11y agoNemesis was rather poorly received among fans of the series. Though honestly, so were most of the other Star Trek films. Out of the pre-Abrams Star Trek films, four were generally well received (2, 4, 6, 8). The first and third films have a few people who like them, but are broadly disliked. The fifth, seventh, ninth, and tenth are almost universally disliked. Even among the four generally well received films, only #2 (The Wrath of Khan) and #4 (The Voyage Home) are generally considered as good as the best television episodes from the first two series. Maybe #6 fits in there -- that one's actually my favorite, though I might be biased because it's the only TOS one I've seen in theaters.
- dasboth 11y agoNot the first time I've heard this odd vs even thing. Was The Voyage Home the one with the whales? That premise was a bit silly although the film had its moments. Which number was First Contact? I always thought that was way better than the others.
- amalcon 11y agoSince it was apparently a little confusing: 1) The Motion Picture: The one with V'Ger 2) The Wrath of Khan: The one with Khan 3) The Search For Spock: The one that fixed the problem caused by #2 4) The Voyage Home: The one with the whales 5) The Final Frontier: The one of which will not be spoken 6) The Undiscovered Country: The one with the Khitomer Accords 7) Generations: The one with both Kirk and Picard 8) First Contact: The one with the Borg 9) Insurrection: The one where Picard openly rebels against the exact thing he did in that one episode 10) Nemesis: The Wrath of Khan with TNG characters, by someone who didn't understand why The Wrath of Khan was good
- kaonashi 11y agoThe Trek movies were all bad, and I think the only ones to get a pass were the even-numbered TOS movies.
- res0nat0r 11y ago> CBS said on Monday, in a new series that will be introduced on the network but will be shown primarily on its digital subscription video service. I'd love a new series, but CBS showing it mainly on their streaming service and not even on network TV doesn't bode very well.
- Inthenameofmine 11y agoYeah this isn't going to be about the core of what Star Trek is about: Humanistic ideas, science, and exploration. > a series like TNG will never be made again I have higher hopes than ever actually. With Netflix creating their own TV shows, crowdfunding booming, as well as cheap alternative movie and CGI studios popping up worldwide, we might some day see something even better than TNG. Edit: I mean, look at Stargate Universe, that how had incredible potential, and fit pretty much with the above "new economy / new audience" description. I wouldn't be surprised that once the equity crowdfunding JOBS act passes properly, we'll see independent Netflix style TV series be funded, at higher per-episode funding than current TV.
- ajtaylor 11y agoI loved Stargate Universe! It was just getting really good when the series was cancelled. :(
- infectoid 11y agoDid you ever read the virtual third season? https://empeopled.com/p/31640 https://empeopled.com/p/31640 Was a fairly descent wrap up if you're looking for some closure.
- loceng 11y agoAh - thanks for sharing this. Some fiction I may actually read..
- serge2k 11y agoI thought it was a god awful wannabe BSG.
- agumonkey 11y agoInteresting, as a kid, all I saw in ST was ... bureaucracy. It looked like my father's office, except post modern.
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- WorldMaker 11y agoTo be fair, some of the movie issues could be a question of the influence of the other "Bad Robot" collaborators. I've come to the decision to never pay to watch anything ever again that Damon Lindelof has been given the last writing pass on, for instance. Certainly, it seemed to be JJ Abrams pushing the heavy action "Wish-It-Were-Star-Wars" schlock of the films and on the flipside it sounded like Kurtzman was the only actual Star Trek fan and the voice of Trek reason in the first film (and too busy with the end of Fringe to do so for the second). Fringe too is a possible reason for hope, but the science still seems out on how well Kurtzman works alone without frequent collaborator and fellow Fringe showrunner Orci. (That said, I'm running on huge cynicism for this Star Trek project and my expectations right now are indeed rather low.)
- ansible 11y agoI've come to the decision to never pay to watch anything ever again that Damon Lindelof has been given the last writing pass on... After watching Prometheus, DL is right there with Uwe Boll on my list of people to avoid.
- robotkilla 11y agoSometimes the truth is depressing - thanks for the research
- Elizer0x0309 11y agoDon't worry they'll make the cast all females to pander to the feminist craze and all will be well.... /s
- orionblastar 11y agoIt won't be your father's Star Trek of 1966 or TNG that we grew up on, or Voyager or Enterprise. It will most likely be targeted at the youth and have a more diverse market to have more minority characters and more female ones. Remember it is not just the USA but the world they are selling the series to. Each new Star Trek is marketed towards the young, TOS in 1966 was for my father, TNG was for me, Voyager and Enterprise was for Generation-Y, this new one is for the younger generation world wide. It will sort of be like that Battlestar Galactica reboot Syfy did. Original fans won't like it but new fans will.
- canjobear 11y agoWhile I share your concerns there is cause for hope in the article. First, the third Abrams-verse Star Trek movie is "not related" to the new series---hopefully all JJ Abrams movies are unrelated to the new series. Second, the show "will focus on 'new characters seeking imaginative new worlds and new civilizations'", so it won't be Kirk and Spock. If their goal were to put some Star Trek IP wallpaper over action shlock, then it would probably be Kirk & Spock. So I'm cautiously optimistic.
- yk 11y agoSadly I agree. In modern TV it is unthinkable to have a character like Picard who tries to pursue a diplomatic solution instead of the shoot first, might makes right attitude so prevalent in modern newspapers and other fictions. On a somewhat related note, CBS apparently tries to get a good start for their streaming site, this means that they will try to limit risk. So they will probably go for a darker tone and something like Game of Thrones in space.