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This was a crime. He stole money from the site.
by ks 19y ago
This was a crime. He stole money from the site.
- toffer 19y agoThere's no crime here. He followed the rules of the promotion. Party Poker awarded points for making deposits. Matt deposited money. He would deposit so much money at a time (up to $50K) that he got bored clicking buttons, so he wrote a script to do it for him. So, if depositing money wasn't against the rules and withdrawing the money after he got the FPPs wasn't against the rules, how can you possible claim that "this was a crime"?
- mrtron 19y agoI am quite sure poker sites have rules in their player agreements that strictly forbid and scripts or automation, which may overlap here to the cashier side of things.
- yters 19y agoMaking deposits with certain time restrictions...
- Tichy 19y agoI could imagine there were others trying the same thing, but then gambling away all their deposited money within a week. So maybe it was all good for the poker firm after all.
- marvin 19y agoHow was this a crime? He just exploited their dumb system. This "hack" is kind of obvious, and whomever implemented the system should have thought of it. The only remotely criminal thing I can see in this is using an automated script to move his money. The way I read the post, he deposited all his money ($50,000 or so?) into the account, withdrawing it again as soon as he was credited. He could have refreshed the page himself, hired a Chinese monkey to do it or create a script to log in and deposit money again and again...call me a genius, but I can't see how this is a very sophisticated or even defraud an obviously broken system.
- curi 19y agoWhich crime was it? It wasn't stealing. He didn't sneak in and take stuff. They sent it to him. Others say fraud. But what did he lie or deceive about? He didn't hide anything.
- bayareaguy 19y agoWhat specific law do you think he violated? I think it's possible he may have violated the terms of service somewhere along the line but I doubt he broke the law.
- shimon 19y agoUnethical yes, criminal probably not. I'd be more sympathetic to the victim if they weren't themselves in the business of taking money from the helpless.
- mattmaroon 19y agoI don't think either me or the casino were unethical. It's sort of the gambler ethic, which I guess may not be obvious to the general public. You're supposed to do anything and everything you can, within the rules, to gain an edge. Casinos do it to the players, players to casinos, players to players, etc. Anything not against the rules is considered ethical, and anyone who doesn't use every legal tool at his disposal is a sucker. It's pure survival of the fittest.