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> It's trivial to make a bot that sits in a channel and logs it. And it's trivial to hook up a search engine to that bot. I have actually done that, and I know

> It's trivial to make a bot that sits in a channel and logs it. And it's trivial to hook up a search engine to that bot. I have actually done that, and I know it's not trivial. Few want to spend time tinkering with bots and hooking together archiving services. They want a nice Slack-type experience.

CDRdude 11y ago
It certainly wouldn't be trivial for me, but I can't discount kefka saying it's trivial. There are lots of developers better than I am, and their trivial tasks are my extremely difficult challenges.
- kefka 11y ago
  I just did it :) Come to https://webchat.freenode.net/ https://webchat.freenode.net/ room #hntesting I'm kefka, and my bot is hn_kefka_bot talk and PM, and then check the Dropbox log.
kefka 11y ago
Well. Words are cheap. I do appreciate CDRdude speaking up for me. Here you go. http://webchat.freenode.net http://webchat.freenode.net room #hntesting Files end up on Dropbox here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ukffgmwntypfg4m/ircchatlog.txt?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/ukffgmwntypfg4m/ircchatlog.txt?dl=... Searching wouldn't be too difficult. That's just loading the data up in a Hadoop and then regurgitating it. The only 'doop cluster I have now is a semi-production one. Working on getting a 150 node set up at the hackerspace. __________________________ Edit: Added time date stamps, and indication/handling for private messages to the bot. Privs now allow me to extend the functionality of the bot to do all sorts of things, like upload to MongoDB, email all logs, kick users, save to BOX, or manipulate the neopixel strip in my room.
- Killswitch 11y ago
  Let me know how I can do that just by signing up, because my my job is to work on company problems, not emulate Slack in IRC all day long. No matter how much you push and say that everything Slack offers is doable in IRC, doesn't change the fact that you still have to go through the troubles of setting that stuff up. While I agree that setting up a bot isn't hard, I've done it for the IRC channel I created and still sit in daily, but fact of the matter is Slack is a matter of signing up and enabling a couple of features. My job for my company is to build our product, not an internal chat tool. That's what Slack is for.
  - kefka 11y ago
    Oh please. The tools I use rapidly allow me to chain all sorts of stuff together to create things that surpass even Slack and other apps. Where is a Slack that can do "sensitivity calculation" to alert users of possibly hostile tone? That's right. Not created yet. Give me a half hour and I could have the beginning of that. I also could get translation facilities built in so that English/French/German/Spanish could be seamlessly translatable. The sky's the limit. And your negativity diminishes your ideas.
    - Killswitch 11y ago
      Yeah, I had that mentality once. "Why should I use 3rd party stuff when I am a developer and can do it all myself?!?!" Then I realized I was wasting time working on stuff that don't matter, instead of working on stuff that mattered. If that's your thing, that's your thing and go do it. But it's not a lot of peoples, and that's why Slack is so popular.
      - kefka 11y ago
        > "Why should I use 3rd party stuff when I am a developer and can do it all myself?!?!" But that's not what I'm doing. Company A does really good semantic analysis. Company B does chat, say Slack. Company C file storage. Company D does search. Now, I'm spinning up or using a current server. In this case, lets do IRC to Company Chat, B (bidi bridge). I connect to Company B with my user, and a user on IRC. Logging is turned on and saved, to Company C. Whenever messages are sent, they are run through API from company A, checking semantics and feel. Score applied personally to help devs be more humane. While all this is happening, search D is going through files presented and making a searchable DB of date/time, channel, user, and text. And, I just created a new product.
        lfowles 11y ago
        > And, I just created a new product. That's exactly the point. Is this what your day job is paying you to do?

CDRdude 11y ago

It certainly wouldn't be trivial for me, but I can't discount kefka saying it's trivial. There are lots of developers better than I am, and their trivial tasks are my extremely difficult challenges.

kefka 11y ago
I just did it :) Come to https://webchat.freenode.net/ https://webchat.freenode.net/ room #hntesting I'm kefka, and my bot is hn_kefka_bot talk and PM, and then check the Dropbox log.

kefka 11y ago

Well. Words are cheap. I do appreciate CDRdude speaking up for me. Here you go. http://webchat.freenode.net http://webchat.freenode.net room #hntesting Files end up on Dropbox here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ukffgmwntypfg4m/ircchatlog.txt?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/ukffgmwntypfg4m/ircchatlog.txt?dl=... Searching wouldn't be too difficult. That's just loading the data up in a Hadoop and then regurgitating it. The only 'doop cluster I have now is a semi-production one. Working on getting a 150 node set up at the hackerspace. __________________________ Edit: Added time date stamps, and indication/handling for private messages to the bot. Privs now allow me to extend the functionality of the bot to do all sorts of things, like upload to MongoDB, email all logs, kick users, save to BOX, or manipulate the neopixel strip in my room.

Killswitch 11y ago
Let me know how I can do that just by signing up, because my my job is to work on company problems, not emulate Slack in IRC all day long. No matter how much you push and say that everything Slack offers is doable in IRC, doesn't change the fact that you still have to go through the troubles of setting that stuff up. While I agree that setting up a bot isn't hard, I've done it for the IRC channel I created and still sit in daily, but fact of the matter is Slack is a matter of signing up and enabling a couple of features. My job for my company is to build our product, not an internal chat tool. That's what Slack is for.
- kefka 11y ago
  Oh please. The tools I use rapidly allow me to chain all sorts of stuff together to create things that surpass even Slack and other apps. Where is a Slack that can do "sensitivity calculation" to alert users of possibly hostile tone? That's right. Not created yet. Give me a half hour and I could have the beginning of that. I also could get translation facilities built in so that English/French/German/Spanish could be seamlessly translatable. The sky's the limit. And your negativity diminishes your ideas.
  - Killswitch 11y ago
    Yeah, I had that mentality once. "Why should I use 3rd party stuff when I am a developer and can do it all myself?!?!" Then I realized I was wasting time working on stuff that don't matter, instead of working on stuff that mattered. If that's your thing, that's your thing and go do it. But it's not a lot of peoples, and that's why Slack is so popular.
    - kefka 11y ago
      > "Why should I use 3rd party stuff when I am a developer and can do it all myself?!?!" But that's not what I'm doing. Company A does really good semantic analysis. Company B does chat, say Slack. Company C file storage. Company D does search. Now, I'm spinning up or using a current server. In this case, lets do IRC to Company Chat, B (bidi bridge). I connect to Company B with my user, and a user on IRC. Logging is turned on and saved, to Company C. Whenever messages are sent, they are run through API from company A, checking semantics and feel. Score applied personally to help devs be more humane. While all this is happening, search D is going through files presented and making a searchable DB of date/time, channel, user, and text. And, I just created a new product.
      - lfowles 11y ago
        > And, I just created a new product. That's exactly the point. Is this what your day job is paying you to do?