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> I really hope that this won't be in the rebooted universe because it was well kinda meh I'm not a hardcore Star Trek fan, but was very disappointed with the

> I really hope that this won't be in the rebooted universe because it was well kinda meh I'm not a hardcore Star Trek fan, but was very disappointed with the new films. They're mostly generic action in space with some familiar names and Starfleet uniforms. Every little thing that made Star Trek entertaining has been stripped away. Not too surprising considering JJ Abrams told in an interview that "I would watch episodes but it always felt too philosophical to me".

dogma1138 11y ago
I'm not a hardcore fan either I watched TNG, DS9 and Voyager as just another Scifi show back when MGM, Paramount and 20cent Fox still wanted to make television we had Stargate, Babylon 5, Star Trek, then Scifi was pretty much left to in the hands of syndicated TV productions and basic cable which resulted in well meh. Shows like BSG are pretty much unicorn's these days no one seems to want to make serious scifi the best we can hope for is for the random Canadian show to be picked up by SyFy and not being shredded (Continuum was good, Dark Matter seems interesting but very goofy). SyFy is also trying to get of their asses together I'm still hoping that they'll pick up Ascension it's backdoor pilot / mini-series was one of the most interesting Scifi concepts of late and if they don't screw up 'Childhoods End' (which from the trailer looks like an HBO show which is great) I might actually believe that they still can produce something besides fake reality shows and wrestlemania.
- hansjorg 11y ago
  Ascension was good. My favourite sci-fi series the last few years has been Charlie Brooker's Black Mirror though. The Christmas special in particular was pretty mind bending. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jROLrhQkK78 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jROLrhQkK78
  - dogma1138 11y ago
    I've seen the first "season" of black mirror it was OK is just don't like that type of Scifi I like my Scifi more bigger than life, and while i don't mind some "futuristic earth" shows Black Mirror has the same issue I have with most UK shows and that they produce too little episodes to even fill an afternoon, but Black Mirror just took it to a whole new level with having like what 2-3 episodes? The new season on Netflix will hopefully be at least 10 episode long so I might actually take another spin at it, waiting 10 years for another 3 episodes of Luther or Sherlock is bad enough I'm not going through this again. With US TV shows I usually wait until at least the mid season or the 9 episode pickup because lately US TV shows especially from the bigger networks have less job security than the offspring of JRR Martin novels and the Walking Dead characters. So far we had quite a "decent" year, 12 Monkeys has been renewed, Childhoods End and Westworld are coming, the CW actually managed to make comic book shows (never was a huge comic fan, infact i never had a chance to read a single book i think) cool, we are bloody getting The Man in the High Castle show on Amazon and Marvel's Netflix production is in full gear.
- ck2 11y ago
  Ascension was interesting but I believe canceled as a series last time I checked on wikipedia. yup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_%28miniseries%29#Potential_future_seasons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_%28miniseries%29#Pot...
  - dogma1138 11y ago
    It was never a series it was a backdoor pilot produced as a mini-series. Battlestar Galactica was made in the same manner it was just intended to be a mini-series / made for tv movie and it was't picked up for a show until the overseas ratings came in and Sky pretty much offered Syfy to help produce it.
- Someone1234 11y ago
  I didn't like Dark Matter initially, but it won me over by the end of the first season. I think it felt more Sci-Fi as the show went on. I will fully admit that if there was any other legit Sci-Fi on TV I might not care as much about Dark Matter, but since there is slim pickings in that genre I await season 2.
zzalpha 11y ago
They're mostly generic action in space with some familiar names and Starfleet uniforms. You've just described the Wrath of Khan, considered one of the finest films in the franchise. Hell, a good number of episodes in every series in the franchise were just action in space... the Best of Both Worlds is literally just Us vs The Borg. Fans have incredibly rose tinted glasses regarding ST. For every City on the Edge of Forever or The Inner Light there's at least one The Doomsday Machine or, worse, Spock's Brain... Edit: BTW, I actually think Into Darkness was pretty interesting. It reminded me of The Drumhead or similar, where they used an enemy or a crisis to examine the nature Star Fleet itself. It's just a pity they, once again, didn't actually use someone of Indian descent to play Khan...
- sp332 11y ago
  Wrath of Khan is only good because of Mantalban. The movies didn't really pick up until the fourth one, when they stopped taking them so seriously and just had some fun making a movie. And at least a handful of good episodes exist. There are no such specimens among the (two) new movies.
  - zzalpha 11y ago
    Wrath of Khan is only good because of Mantalban. The movies didn't really pick up until the fourth one, when they stopped taking them so seriously and just had some fun making a movie. So you're a "Trouble with Tribbles" kind of a guy/girl. Nothing wrong with that at all, everyone has different tastes! But we'll agree to disagree. While Khan is clearly an action film first, it's an exploration of Kirk as a character, which is interesting. And that ending... Frankly, I'll put myself in the minority by stating that I personally think The Voyage Home was frickin' awful... really, a fish-out-of-water tale (well, mammal-out-of-water...) via time travel? sigh But that's just my opinion. :)
    - sp332 11y ago
      It's not like space operas ever made sense :)
    - 11y ago
MichaelGG 11y ago
Just look at Lost: JJ is incapable of developing coherent storylines.

dogma1138 11y ago

I'm not a hardcore fan either I watched TNG, DS9 and Voyager as just another Scifi show back when MGM, Paramount and 20cent Fox still wanted to make television we had Stargate, Babylon 5, Star Trek, then Scifi was pretty much left to in the hands of syndicated TV productions and basic cable which resulted in well meh. Shows like BSG are pretty much unicorn's these days no one seems to want to make serious scifi the best we can hope for is for the random Canadian show to be picked up by SyFy and not being shredded (Continuum was good, Dark Matter seems interesting but very goofy). SyFy is also trying to get of their asses together I'm still hoping that they'll pick up Ascension it's backdoor pilot / mini-series was one of the most interesting Scifi concepts of late and if they don't screw up 'Childhoods End' (which from the trailer looks like an HBO show which is great) I might actually believe that they still can produce something besides fake reality shows and wrestlemania.

hansjorg 11y ago
Ascension was good. My favourite sci-fi series the last few years has been Charlie Brooker's Black Mirror though. The Christmas special in particular was pretty mind bending. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jROLrhQkK78 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jROLrhQkK78
- dogma1138 11y ago
  I've seen the first "season" of black mirror it was OK is just don't like that type of Scifi I like my Scifi more bigger than life, and while i don't mind some "futuristic earth" shows Black Mirror has the same issue I have with most UK shows and that they produce too little episodes to even fill an afternoon, but Black Mirror just took it to a whole new level with having like what 2-3 episodes? The new season on Netflix will hopefully be at least 10 episode long so I might actually take another spin at it, waiting 10 years for another 3 episodes of Luther or Sherlock is bad enough I'm not going through this again. With US TV shows I usually wait until at least the mid season or the 9 episode pickup because lately US TV shows especially from the bigger networks have less job security than the offspring of JRR Martin novels and the Walking Dead characters. So far we had quite a "decent" year, 12 Monkeys has been renewed, Childhoods End and Westworld are coming, the CW actually managed to make comic book shows (never was a huge comic fan, infact i never had a chance to read a single book i think) cool, we are bloody getting The Man in the High Castle show on Amazon and Marvel's Netflix production is in full gear.
ck2 11y ago
Ascension was interesting but I believe canceled as a series last time I checked on wikipedia. yup https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_%28miniseries%29#Potential_future_seasons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascension_%28miniseries%29#Pot...
- dogma1138 11y ago
  It was never a series it was a backdoor pilot produced as a mini-series. Battlestar Galactica was made in the same manner it was just intended to be a mini-series / made for tv movie and it was't picked up for a show until the overseas ratings came in and Sky pretty much offered Syfy to help produce it.
Someone1234 11y ago
I didn't like Dark Matter initially, but it won me over by the end of the first season. I think it felt more Sci-Fi as the show went on. I will fully admit that if there was any other legit Sci-Fi on TV I might not care as much about Dark Matter, but since there is slim pickings in that genre I await season 2.

zzalpha 11y ago

They're mostly generic action in space with some familiar names and Starfleet uniforms. You've just described the Wrath of Khan, considered one of the finest films in the franchise. Hell, a good number of episodes in every series in the franchise were just action in space... the Best of Both Worlds is literally just Us vs The Borg. Fans have incredibly rose tinted glasses regarding ST. For every City on the Edge of Forever or The Inner Light there's at least one The Doomsday Machine or, worse, Spock's Brain... Edit: BTW, I actually think Into Darkness was pretty interesting. It reminded me of The Drumhead or similar, where they used an enemy or a crisis to examine the nature Star Fleet itself. It's just a pity they, once again, didn't actually use someone of Indian descent to play Khan...

sp332 11y ago
Wrath of Khan is only good because of Mantalban. The movies didn't really pick up until the fourth one, when they stopped taking them so seriously and just had some fun making a movie. And at least a handful of good episodes exist. There are no such specimens among the (two) new movies.
- zzalpha 11y ago
  Wrath of Khan is only good because of Mantalban. The movies didn't really pick up until the fourth one, when they stopped taking them so seriously and just had some fun making a movie. So you're a "Trouble with Tribbles" kind of a guy/girl. Nothing wrong with that at all, everyone has different tastes! But we'll agree to disagree. While Khan is clearly an action film first, it's an exploration of Kirk as a character, which is interesting. And that ending... Frankly, I'll put myself in the minority by stating that I personally think The Voyage Home was frickin' awful... really, a fish-out-of-water tale (well, mammal-out-of-water...) via time travel? sigh But that's just my opinion. :)
  - sp332 11y ago
    It's not like space operas ever made sense :)
  - 11y ago

MichaelGG 11y ago

Just look at Lost: JJ is incapable of developing coherent storylines.