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Hopefully this will be a look forward beyond Voyager rather than going back again..

drunken-serval 11y ago
Personally, I don't see anything wrong with going for an alternate timeline and a modern take on starship design. As long as they don't turn Star Trek into an action franchise, I'm okay with it.
- alexbecker 11y ago
  > As long as they don't turn Star Trek into an action franchise Oh god, that would be tragic.
  - ramblerman 11y ago
    Well that's pretty much what the last movie was. That being said I thought it was quite good when you didn't think of it as 'star trek'
    - aidenn0 11y ago
      Yeah the two new movies were essentially action movies that captured the feel of the TOS characters.
      - rhino369 11y ago
        All the movies except 1 and 4 were essentially action movies. And 4 was mostly a fish out of water comedy.
        ocdtrekkie 11y ago
        As much as it's often panned, Insurrection is the most Star Trek of Star Trek movies. It's about the Prime Directive at it's core. The Undiscovered Country is also a great example of a movie about diplomacy. Sure, every movie is going to be action-packed for film screens, but those two I felt stuck to Star Trek's ideals more than the rest, where the movie focused on stopping a specific evil villain.
        rhino369 11y ago
        It's been a while since I saw Insurrection and Undiscovered Country, but you could make a similar argument about Star Trek into Darkness. It was about the struggle between a militarized starfleet and a starfleet about discovery and exploration.
        ocdtrekkie 11y ago
        I honestly just feel Into Darkness is a movie about Khan. I've never felt the new Trek movies put out this discovery and exploration vibe. They certainly haven't attempted to do so as of yet.
      - serge2k 11y ago
        Did they capture the feel? Spock was okay at times. Kirk was okay at times. Scotty was comic relief, with very little of him being a badass
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- dangerboysteve 11y ago
  As long as it's not based on a truck rest stop like DS9.
- cwyers 11y ago
  I've seen this said a lot, and I mean... the original Star Trek was a TV series in the late 60s, so in terms of what the effects were capable of on a TV budget and what standards and practices would allow, I think they were as action-oriented as they could be. The original run of Star Trek is filled with as many fistfights, space battles and fights to the death with the Vulcan Lirpa as the budget would allow. Trek was about much more than JUST action (Conscience Of The King is one of my favorite examples of this), but they did a lot of it.
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Aqwis 11y ago
Unless they put it in the alternate timeline, which it doesn't sound like they will given this quote: >The new television series is not related to the upcoming feature film Star Trek Beyond which is scheduled to be distributed by Paramount Pictures in summer 2016. ...they'd have to some serious retconning to place it anywhere before Voyager. Too much existing canon to take into account when writing the scripts.
- cmiles74 11y ago
  Given they have the head writer from the last two movies, I can't see them sticking with the old, tired canon. It could be that they need to be clear that they aren't associated with the next film. Different characters, etc.
  - Amezarak 11y ago
    > Given they have the head writer from the last two movies, I can't see them sticking with the old, tired canon What is "tired" about existing canon? What stops people from writing new stories with new characters in the "old" canon? How, for example, was Voyager burdened by the old, tired canon in TNG or DS9? As best I can tell, the only reason they don't do it is because they would prefer to cash in on the popularity of the pre-existing characters and the pre-existing stories without actually having to write as though they exist. Star Trek is a series based on exploration. There are plenty of new worlds and new peoples to see, without throwing away the old canon, while at the same time not relying on it very much. I honestly can't understand why people like the idea of resets and reboots. To me, it just feels lazy and unsatisfying.
    - cmiles74 11y ago
      I can see where you are coming from and I acknowledge that my comment was cleary meant to denigrate "the canon" of older Star Trek works. You may be right, a new team of writers may be able to author a new show that adheres to these stories and still comes off as fresh and exciting. To my mind, the Voyager series (which I did enjoy) was meant to do what you recommend: use exploration of new worlds as a way to introduce new storylines and, to some degree, to distance the show from the storylines of the past. While I enjoyed that show, I don't think it was entirely successful. Specifically, it didn't appear to generate enough interest to warrrant more films, which seem to be what keeps this series alive. The last series, Enterprise, seemed to be trying to accomplish the same goal by going back into the past, before many of these storylines took place. To my mind, it was wholly unsuccessful. I watched every episode and felt unsatisfied after the majority of them. In my opinion, the failure of the last two series to generate enough interest for more films was a big reason why the "reboot" idea is more attractive.
roneesh 11y ago
Agree, please please please not a prequel! The big joy of Star Trek is speculating about the future, in these times especially I think we could use more optimism about a future we haven't thought of yet, not just a dramatic retcon of stories we already know.
- zo1 11y ago
  I think they do this very deliberately. Short of making an alternate timeline, they'd have to "play-out" the universe we know as part of TNG/VOY/ENT/DS9. Sure, they could leave it vague and have us all guessing what happened in those intermediate years, but that wouldn't be the StarTrek we know as we'd have no idea how they got to that point. Also, they'd essentially lock themselves into an intermediate storyline that somehow leads to the universe they portray. Hopefully ,if they do decide to make the setting "post" all the other shows by a long stretch of time, they work around some of these pitfalls and come up with a great story and addition to the franchise.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with going for an alternate timeline and a modern take on starship design. As long as they don't turn Star Trek into an action franchise, I'm okay with it.

alexbecker 11y ago
> As long as they don't turn Star Trek into an action franchise Oh god, that would be tragic.
- ramblerman 11y ago
  Well that's pretty much what the last movie was. That being said I thought it was quite good when you didn't think of it as 'star trek'
  - aidenn0 11y ago
    Yeah the two new movies were essentially action movies that captured the feel of the TOS characters.
    - rhino369 11y ago
      All the movies except 1 and 4 were essentially action movies. And 4 was mostly a fish out of water comedy.
      - ocdtrekkie 11y ago
        As much as it's often panned, Insurrection is the most Star Trek of Star Trek movies. It's about the Prime Directive at it's core. The Undiscovered Country is also a great example of a movie about diplomacy. Sure, every movie is going to be action-packed for film screens, but those two I felt stuck to Star Trek's ideals more than the rest, where the movie focused on stopping a specific evil villain.
        rhino369 11y ago
        It's been a while since I saw Insurrection and Undiscovered Country, but you could make a similar argument about Star Trek into Darkness. It was about the struggle between a militarized starfleet and a starfleet about discovery and exploration.
        ocdtrekkie 11y ago
        I honestly just feel Into Darkness is a movie about Khan. I've never felt the new Trek movies put out this discovery and exploration vibe. They certainly haven't attempted to do so as of yet.
    - serge2k 11y ago
      Did they capture the feel? Spock was okay at times. Kirk was okay at times. Scotty was comic relief, with very little of him being a badass
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dangerboysteve 11y ago
As long as it's not based on a truck rest stop like DS9.
cwyers 11y ago
I've seen this said a lot, and I mean... the original Star Trek was a TV series in the late 60s, so in terms of what the effects were capable of on a TV budget and what standards and practices would allow, I think they were as action-oriented as they could be. The original run of Star Trek is filled with as many fistfights, space battles and fights to the death with the Vulcan Lirpa as the budget would allow. Trek was about much more than JUST action (Conscience Of The King is one of my favorite examples of this), but they did a lot of it.

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Aqwis 11y ago

Unless they put it in the alternate timeline, which it doesn't sound like they will given this quote: >The new television series is not related to the upcoming feature film Star Trek Beyond which is scheduled to be distributed by Paramount Pictures in summer 2016. ...they'd have to some serious retconning to place it anywhere before Voyager. Too much existing canon to take into account when writing the scripts.

cmiles74 11y ago
Given they have the head writer from the last two movies, I can't see them sticking with the old, tired canon. It could be that they need to be clear that they aren't associated with the next film. Different characters, etc.
- Amezarak 11y ago
  > Given they have the head writer from the last two movies, I can't see them sticking with the old, tired canon What is "tired" about existing canon? What stops people from writing new stories with new characters in the "old" canon? How, for example, was Voyager burdened by the old, tired canon in TNG or DS9? As best I can tell, the only reason they don't do it is because they would prefer to cash in on the popularity of the pre-existing characters and the pre-existing stories without actually having to write as though they exist. Star Trek is a series based on exploration. There are plenty of new worlds and new peoples to see, without throwing away the old canon, while at the same time not relying on it very much. I honestly can't understand why people like the idea of resets and reboots. To me, it just feels lazy and unsatisfying.
  - cmiles74 11y ago
    I can see where you are coming from and I acknowledge that my comment was cleary meant to denigrate "the canon" of older Star Trek works. You may be right, a new team of writers may be able to author a new show that adheres to these stories and still comes off as fresh and exciting. To my mind, the Voyager series (which I did enjoy) was meant to do what you recommend: use exploration of new worlds as a way to introduce new storylines and, to some degree, to distance the show from the storylines of the past. While I enjoyed that show, I don't think it was entirely successful. Specifically, it didn't appear to generate enough interest to warrrant more films, which seem to be what keeps this series alive. The last series, Enterprise, seemed to be trying to accomplish the same goal by going back into the past, before many of these storylines took place. To my mind, it was wholly unsuccessful. I watched every episode and felt unsatisfied after the majority of them. In my opinion, the failure of the last two series to generate enough interest for more films was a big reason why the "reboot" idea is more attractive.

roneesh 11y ago

Agree, please please please not a prequel! The big joy of Star Trek is speculating about the future, in these times especially I think we could use more optimism about a future we haven't thought of yet, not just a dramatic retcon of stories we already know.

zo1 11y ago
I think they do this very deliberately. Short of making an alternate timeline, they'd have to "play-out" the universe we know as part of TNG/VOY/ENT/DS9. Sure, they could leave it vague and have us all guessing what happened in those intermediate years, but that wouldn't be the StarTrek we know as we'd have no idea how they got to that point. Also, they'd essentially lock themselves into an intermediate storyline that somehow leads to the universe they portray. Hopefully ,if they do decide to make the setting "post" all the other shows by a long stretch of time, they work around some of these pitfalls and come up with a great story and addition to the franchise.