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>I'd have less problem with dense housing (especially since I don't actually care about the stereotypical "yard and a white picket fence") if said housing start

by krasin 11y ago

>I'd have less problem with dense housing (especially since I don't actually care about the stereotypical "yard and a white picket fence") if said housing started including -90dB or better soundproofing. Yep. Instead of having a thousand of single-family houses, I would rather have a beautiful 30+ stories castle surrounded by a park of ~1 km radius. Cars are expected to live underground and reach the surface outside of the park. Saying that as I have lived a few years in a very similar setting, while being at a university: http://cdn.absolutevisit.com/blog/photo-of-the-day/100075/Moscow-State-University-Reflection-Moscow-Russia.jpg http://cdn.absolutevisit.com/blog/photo-of-the-day/100075/Mo...

zyxley 11y ago
> a beautiful 30+ stories castle surrounded by a park of ~1 km radius The problem with this is that you're basically getting the worst of both worlds. You lose many of the real benefits of dense development because there's no space for jobs and shopping, and you lose the benefits of privately kept land like customized yards and broken-up sightlines and so on. The "giant building separated from everything else by a giant moat of grass" style also has a long, ugly history in public housing developments, with it meant as idealistic but ultimately turning to crap.
- JoshTriplett 11y ago
  Exactly. One of the things that urban planning sometimes gets right and sometimes gets wrong, and that suburban planning is just barely starting to figure out in experiments, is that residential and commercial should be relatively closely interspersed, not separated.
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- krasin 11y ago
  Some basic services and shopping are included into the first few floors. For something more fancy, it's ok to drive. As for being disconnected, it's usually quite opposite, if your friends live in the same building: you're 5-10 minutes away from them. Again, speaking from the personal experience, not dreams. Map: https://goo.gl/maps/g7bEBsoqwkL2 https://goo.gl/maps/g7bEBsoqwkL2
  - ido 11y ago
    Yes, as a college student it is possible all your friends (or a lot of them) will live in that one huge building. But as time passes people move around (even within the same city) for jobs, family, and lots of other reasons & suddenly all your friends don't all live in the same huge building.
    - krasin 11y ago
      In this case, these friends are not farther than in usual case of a low-density suburban. You will have to drive, but not longer than if you lived in a single family house, as the building + park in the proposal above takes about the same space as 1000 single-family houses. So, it makes the friends more accessible, if they are in the same neighborhood, and not less accessible otherwise. Also, living in the same building actually helps to find new friends, especially if there's enough shared space indoors/outdoors, such as cafes, gyms, hacker spaces, etc.
      - ido 11y ago
        Yeah, I wasn't comparing it to suburban living but just to normal residential areas in most European cities that comprise of lots of 4-6 story buildings (and some higher) with public parks around them, but rarely a huge pi*1km^2 lawn.
        krasin 11y ago
        European cities are ok too, as long as buildings don't have a fenced territory.
meric 11y ago
Like this? http://owner.estate/realestate/view/70967 http://owner.estate/realestate/view/70967 Or this? http://owner.estate/realestate/view/101203 http://owner.estate/realestate/view/101203
- krasin 11y ago
  My proposal already includes a photo; I am not sure how are the human apiaries with no living outdoor space related to it.

by krasin 11y ago

zyxley 11y ago

> a beautiful 30+ stories castle surrounded by a park of ~1 km radius The problem with this is that you're basically getting the worst of both worlds. You lose many of the real benefits of dense development because there's no space for jobs and shopping, and you lose the benefits of privately kept land like customized yards and broken-up sightlines and so on. The "giant building separated from everything else by a giant moat of grass" style also has a long, ugly history in public housing developments, with it meant as idealistic but ultimately turning to crap.

JoshTriplett 11y ago
Exactly. One of the things that urban planning sometimes gets right and sometimes gets wrong, and that suburban planning is just barely starting to figure out in experiments, is that residential and commercial should be relatively closely interspersed, not separated.
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krasin 11y ago
Some basic services and shopping are included into the first few floors. For something more fancy, it's ok to drive. As for being disconnected, it's usually quite opposite, if your friends live in the same building: you're 5-10 minutes away from them. Again, speaking from the personal experience, not dreams. Map: https://goo.gl/maps/g7bEBsoqwkL2 https://goo.gl/maps/g7bEBsoqwkL2
- ido 11y ago
  Yes, as a college student it is possible all your friends (or a lot of them) will live in that one huge building. But as time passes people move around (even within the same city) for jobs, family, and lots of other reasons & suddenly all your friends don't all live in the same huge building.
  - krasin 11y ago
    In this case, these friends are not farther than in usual case of a low-density suburban. You will have to drive, but not longer than if you lived in a single family house, as the building + park in the proposal above takes about the same space as 1000 single-family houses. So, it makes the friends more accessible, if they are in the same neighborhood, and not less accessible otherwise. Also, living in the same building actually helps to find new friends, especially if there's enough shared space indoors/outdoors, such as cafes, gyms, hacker spaces, etc.
    - ido 11y ago
      Yeah, I wasn't comparing it to suburban living but just to normal residential areas in most European cities that comprise of lots of 4-6 story buildings (and some higher) with public parks around them, but rarely a huge pi*1km^2 lawn.
      - krasin 11y ago
        European cities are ok too, as long as buildings don't have a fenced territory.

meric 11y ago

Like this? http://owner.estate/realestate/view/70967 http://owner.estate/realestate/view/70967 Or this? http://owner.estate/realestate/view/101203 http://owner.estate/realestate/view/101203

krasin 11y ago
My proposal already includes a photo; I am not sure how are the human apiaries with no living outdoor space related to it.