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Here is a summary of : So Good They Can’t Ignore You by Cal Newport, which is about this subject. http://www.kevinrandom.com/1-page-summary-so-good-they-cant-i

• ctdonath 11y ago
  Nobody said following your passion would solve all your problems. Following your passion will make those problems worth the cost. The problem is most people don't understand what "passion" is. Passion is what you can't not do (not to be confused with a warm fuzzy answer to "what is your passion?" which you're not really going to ever follow thru on even if handed every resource to). ETA: as far as I can tell, few people actually have passions. If you don't have one, don't pretend to follow it. A career based on lying to yourself is indeed following horrible advice.
  • AJ007 11y ago
    Few people have enough life experience to know what they want to do. There are successful millionaires who don't really have to work and don't know to do with their lives. For most, after they are married and have kids those potential goals just become fantasy. When I was young I was exposed to adults and activities from many different backgrounds outside of school. More than helping me determine what I liked doing it helped me find out what I did not want to do. Things I thought I wanted to be based on what I had seen in books and movies turned out to be further from reality. If you can gain these experiences it is a luxury. If everything matches up it is fortunate. My suggestion is the larger problem is many workplaces are negative environments and leadership is lacking. The one real job I had was in maintenance. I did shit like mopping floors and bagging garbage. My boss was great. The people I worked with were happy. I was very happy. Once I started my own business it took me many, many years to be that happy again.
    • aianus 11y ago
      > For most, after they are married and have kids those potential goals just become fantasy. The number one piece of career advice for men should be not to get married or have kids. With enough money you can get a young trophy wife and have children at 55 no problem.
      • avmich 11y ago
        You can't then have meaningful relationships in the marriage - for some definition of "meaningful".
  • Avshalom 11y ago
    Well under that definition "follow your passion" is the worst career advice because aside from breathing and eating few if any of us have a passion.
    • balabaster 11y ago
      I can't allow myself to believe that "few" have a passion - I believe if you have a lack of passion, then you're ignorant to the world around you. Everywhere you turn there are things that could be improved, fixed, wrongs righted, dictators toppled, famine, poverty, racism, sexism, classism, problems that need solving, things to be understood, things to be simplified; things that make everyone's lives safer, more bearable, more comfortable, happier. If you take a hard look at the world around you and look at ways to apply what you enjoy doing to making people's lives around you better, your passion will come alive.
      • barrkel 11y ago
        You underestimate misanthropy. I, for one, have no burning desire to make other people's lives better. My motives are a little more selfish. In part it's because of the world around me; there's too much of it, and I only want to worry about what I can control, not what I can't.
        • studentrob 11y ago
          Do you enjoy learning?
          • barrkel 11y ago
            For it's own sake, not so much any more. Getting things done, and done well - yes, for sure. That often involves research and learning new things to get the right level of quality.
            • studentrob 11y ago
              Sure, that makes sense. Does society benefit when you help yourself? Does it matter if your way of doing that starts with "a burning desire to help others" or if you're just thinking of yourself and things you can control? Can I be passionate about myself and would that be so bad?
  • femto 11y ago
    > Passion is what you can't not do ... That's the thing I've never understood about following your passion. If you "can't not do" it, once people figure that out they will stop paying you, secure in the knowledge that you will keep doing it anyway. Perhaps the secret to wealth is that your passion has to be money?
    • deepnet 11y ago
      Unless they want someone to do the passionate thing more and better in which case they will support you - the Patreon / fanbase model. Or the passion is limited unique items (artworks) in which case they will buy it - if you become popular and supply is limited this can be self reinforcing like fine-art as investment. Or they want the passionate person to work for them, so Google hire a passionate programmer so they can patent their work - knowing that the passionate programmer will improve in their off-time. Or game companies who hire the young and passionate as they know they are invested in the end product and are less likely to bail if times are tough or they get a better offer (this can be exploitative and is closer to what you suggested). Quite often things that become valuable are because people perceive qualities such as passion as 'honesty' in art and work this has value. If people perceive someone is just in it for the money then they may less inclined to invest in their development as they could stop at any time and somehow the end-product seems less honest, a passionate person will do the best they possible can, some-one in it for the money will do just enough to get paid (hyperbole but it can be a perception). True passion can be a very valuable quality - but it can also as you suggest be a crippling impediment to success, some are too passionate and unwilling to compromise so die poor ( e.g. Vincent van Gogh).
    • balabaster 11y ago
      You confuse "can't not doing it" with "can't not doing it for you"... There's many things that make me who I am, things I can't not do, but if you're not going to pay me to do them, I will do them for myself and sell them to someone who will pay for them, or I will go do those things for someone who will pay for them. I don't disagree with the secret to wealth being (or at least partly being) money though... those that don't care about the money are more likely not to be destined to have more than they need to provide what is important to them.
  • dynomight 11y ago
    I agree that passion is what you can't not do but I think there's more to it. A person may not know what they are passionate about until they are right up against it. Passion is what you care about. If getting a job done right keeps you up at night and you go the extra mile to do, then you have passion. If you can let it go then you don't. I think better advice is: if you have a passion, then try to find a way to make it profitable if it's not and get into a position that you can act on your passion so it's not a detriment. Having passion in an environment where it is not wanted is an awful experience and get a person fired really quick in an employment situation. When a passion is profitable and works with others then it builds a fire that feeds itself and can be very fulfilling.
  • ashirsch 11y ago
    I am a career counselor with very strong views on this subject. FYI -- research shows that only 20% of people have an innate passion to follow.
    • ctdonath 11y ago
      Nice to have it quantified. Any links to further details?
• balabaster 11y ago
  > "The core illusion: that there is a magic job out there that's right for you" This is where it falls down for me... jobs are by design a cog in an existing machine where you either fit or you don't... or can make yourself fit for a while, but if you don't fit perfectly, it wears you down, emotionally, physically, mentally etc. The funny thing about passion is that invariably, there is no magic job, because if you're passionate about something, you're probably not cut out for a J.O.B., you probably want to be carving your own niche... So the illusion isn't that there's no magic job, it's that you're falling into this industrial revolution way of thinking that someone else needs to provide you with the job instead of you making your own job.
• studentrob 11y ago
  In my early 20s I read the 7 Habits by Covey. It recommends the same things as Newport's book: find something that is financially viable and has a sense of mission or purpose. It also discusses finding your passion along with a host of other great advice. It had a profoundly positive effect on my life and happiness. Since Covey discusses passion and probably falls under Newport's so-called passion movement, does that mean all his advice (based on years of research by a team of people) is wrong? Newport denounces the word passion, misrepresents the movement by saying it merely promises a "magic job", then goes on to write about the same things promoted by that movement in his own book. I see bait and switch here. Will the "find your passion" career advice work for everyone? No. Is there worse career advice than this? Absolutely. The title and theme of this post are overblown. Some folks are defining passion as a sort of dreamy thing, and that dreams are bad. That is vastly over-simplifying it. Finding passion is an intangible goal and is intentionally positive-sounding in order to encourage people to learn more about the smaller steps to achieving their goals. It is a sound byte. I understand that finding passion is not going to work for everyone. But this notion that it is "terrible career advice" is going too far. Why so much hate? For those who can find their passion, society benefits greatly. These folks will not hesitate to work harder for something in which they believe. Does it suck for a company to lose a few people who are trying to find their passion? Yes. That's the nature of well paying fields such as IT. It is better to get accustomed to losing a few good employees than to continue rallying against something that isn't really under your control. After all, from what I understand, during an interview with YC, they are looking more at the people than the ideas. I'm not an applicant but I do respect their selection process. The brick wall breakers they seek are first and foremost passionate.