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> Why would it become the only option when other forms keep popping up? Even with very hypothetical 100% penetration of (unblockable) ad blockers, this won't be

> Why would it become the only option when other forms keep popping up? Even with very hypothetical 100% penetration of (unblockable) ad blockers, this won't be the case. Name me one other form of a successful website that does not use one of the following methods of monetization: ads, donations, currency-exchange or none (free) Because none of those are recent. > You must have missed the NY times, the largest german newspaper (BILD) and other large publications switching to paywalls then. Perhaps look around some more before beating dead horses here... Also, your inflammatory language hurts your cause. Because I'm not talking about organizations that already have millions of customers as a base. They are going to survive regardless of the ad-blocking penetration. Just like Google and Facebook will. What won't survive is anything that isn't enormous. And you started the inflammatory nonsense by putting words into my mouth.

lazyjones 11y ago
> Name me one other form of a successful website that does not use one of the following methods of monetization: My former company (founded in 2000; majority sold in 2014; ~2.5 million users) has 95% revenue from other sources than those you named, it's a price comparison website. Most competitors operate in a similar fashion. Ads are used only as an insignificant additional revenue source (with lots of doubt and disputes internally). Other examples: large classified ad pages, dating websites, real estate brokers (syndicated/search websites), airbnb, hotel and flight booking sites. > Because I'm not talking about organizations that already have millions of customers as a base. OK, how about the newly founded austrian branch of swiss publication NZZ - it started with 0 users and paywall.
- jhall1468 11y ago
  > large classified ad pages It literally has the word "ad" in it. > dating websites Either ad-driven or membership based, in which case the membership is received as a currency-exchange. > real estate brokers (syndicated/search websites) Just because your content is an ad doesn't make it less an ad. > airbnb See above. > hotel and flight booking sites. See above. Every one of those sites are classified ad sites, which is problematic on two fronts: 1. All the content is the ad. 2. It's not unique content, it's content created for the sole purposes of selling something. Literally everything you listed requires that there be something to sell, whether a product or sex/dating. So the Internet should effectively be one big shopping district? > OK, how about the newly founded austrian branch of swiss publication NZZ - it started with 0 users and paywall. A subsidiary of a 300 year old establishment is your example of a startup making it day one with a paywall. Okay...
  - lazyjones 11y ago
    > 1. All the content is the ad. 2. It's not unique content, it's content created for the sole purposes of selling something. Google Search fits the same definition. It has no unique content (CSE and booking sites do by the way, they have product information, reviews and ratings etc.) and it only points to other sites, just like their ads. > Literally everything you listed requires that there be something to sell, whether a product or sex/dating. So the Internet should effectively be one big shopping district? No, selling something is just one way of getting revenue without annoying the user. Perhaps more websites should try it.

lazyjones 11y ago

> Name me one other form of a successful website that does not use one of the following methods of monetization: My former company (founded in 2000; majority sold in 2014; ~2.5 million users) has 95% revenue from other sources than those you named, it's a price comparison website. Most competitors operate in a similar fashion. Ads are used only as an insignificant additional revenue source (with lots of doubt and disputes internally). Other examples: large classified ad pages, dating websites, real estate brokers (syndicated/search websites), airbnb, hotel and flight booking sites. > Because I'm not talking about organizations that already have millions of customers as a base. OK, how about the newly founded austrian branch of swiss publication NZZ - it started with 0 users and paywall.

jhall1468 11y ago
> large classified ad pages It literally has the word "ad" in it. > dating websites Either ad-driven or membership based, in which case the membership is received as a currency-exchange. > real estate brokers (syndicated/search websites) Just because your content is an ad doesn't make it less an ad. > airbnb See above. > hotel and flight booking sites. See above. Every one of those sites are classified ad sites, which is problematic on two fronts: 1. All the content is the ad. 2. It's not unique content, it's content created for the sole purposes of selling something. Literally everything you listed requires that there be something to sell, whether a product or sex/dating. So the Internet should effectively be one big shopping district? > OK, how about the newly founded austrian branch of swiss publication NZZ - it started with 0 users and paywall. A subsidiary of a 300 year old establishment is your example of a startup making it day one with a paywall. Okay...
- lazyjones 11y ago
  > 1. All the content is the ad. 2. It's not unique content, it's content created for the sole purposes of selling something. Google Search fits the same definition. It has no unique content (CSE and booking sites do by the way, they have product information, reviews and ratings etc.) and it only points to other sites, just like their ads. > Literally everything you listed requires that there be something to sell, whether a product or sex/dating. So the Internet should effectively be one big shopping district? No, selling something is just one way of getting revenue without annoying the user. Perhaps more websites should try it.