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The world did fine prior to the advertisements and the world will be fine after the advertisements fail. Simply because somebody asks you to become a sheeple d

by raddad 11y ago

The world did fine prior to the advertisements and the world will be fine after the advertisements fail. Simply because somebody asks you to become a sheeple doesn't mean you are required to become one. No need to fall into lock step and comply.

jhall1468 11y ago
Modern advertising began in 1836. Why has it become vogue to call someone "sheeple" because they think there's a happy medium between the "all ads are bad" and the "giving you a seizure with my ad is okay" approaches. You aren't an underground revolution fighting the man. You installed a browser plugin.
- bigbugbag 11y ago
  There cannot be such a happy medium as long as ads are increasingly "targeted" and "third party". "Targeted ads" means surveillance, profiling, tracking, massive privacy invasion. "Third party" means poorer performance and having no control on your main source of revenue (see the stories about google censoring content on google ads based websites). Duckduckgo makes a good case for non-targeted ads while still being profitable. The issue here has two sides: on the practical side it is much easier to block all ads than to maintain a white list while on the attitude style a website that tells its visitors "I could not care less about your privacy and your browsing experience" by showing ads and running third partu tracking scripts should not be surprised when a growing portion of visitors return the favor "we don't care about your failed business model, we do care about our privacy and browsing experience though" by blocking said ads. If adblocking wasn't a game changer revolution, we wouldn't be reading the IAB telling us "we messed up. As technologists, tasked with delivering content and services to users, we lost track of the user experience." http://www.iab.com/news/lean/ http://www.iab.com/news/lean/
  - jhall1468 11y ago
    > Duckduckgo makes a good case for non-targeted ads while stille being profitable. So there is a happy medium and, in your opinion, it's non-targeted ads. Yet uBlock and uBlock Origin and the millions of people that use them are blocking DuckDuckGo ads. piwik is an open-source, locally installed, piece of analytic's software that is blocked by default in the above AND in adblock. So you are making an argument that is presently being implemented and still being blocked.
    - bigbugbag 11y ago
      Sorry, I may have not expressed myself in clear enough way, please allow me to try again: IMO there is no happy medium, all ads are unwelcomed on the net. duckduckgo debunks the myth that ads need to be targeted as is the usual investor storytime myth. I was using phpmyvisites before it spawned piwik and have been pushing piwik as an alternative to google analytics since, still piwik is a tracking mechanism and as such is expected to be blocked, but additional tracking script vs parsing web server logs is another debate.
      - jhall1468 11y ago
        So you said this: > Duckduckgo makes a good case for non-targeted ads while still being profitable. For what reason exactly? So they debunked a myth that is moot anyway because the very premise of the myth is unwelcome.
    - pseudalopex 11y ago
      Sure, it's hard to imagine any objection to DuckDuckGo's ads that wouldn't apply to advertising in general. They're unobtrusive, clearly marked, at least somewhat relevant, supposedly non-targeted, and apparently served from the same domain without a bunch of extra JavaScript. Privacy is a big part of the DDG brand, so lying about targeting would be risky. But most ads and most sites aren't like that. How are people supposed to know which are trustworthy?

by raddad 11y ago

jhall1468 11y ago

Modern advertising began in 1836. Why has it become vogue to call someone "sheeple" because they think there's a happy medium between the "all ads are bad" and the "giving you a seizure with my ad is okay" approaches. You aren't an underground revolution fighting the man. You installed a browser plugin.

bigbugbag 11y ago
There cannot be such a happy medium as long as ads are increasingly "targeted" and "third party". "Targeted ads" means surveillance, profiling, tracking, massive privacy invasion. "Third party" means poorer performance and having no control on your main source of revenue (see the stories about google censoring content on google ads based websites). Duckduckgo makes a good case for non-targeted ads while still being profitable. The issue here has two sides: on the practical side it is much easier to block all ads than to maintain a white list while on the attitude style a website that tells its visitors "I could not care less about your privacy and your browsing experience" by showing ads and running third partu tracking scripts should not be surprised when a growing portion of visitors return the favor "we don't care about your failed business model, we do care about our privacy and browsing experience though" by blocking said ads. If adblocking wasn't a game changer revolution, we wouldn't be reading the IAB telling us "we messed up. As technologists, tasked with delivering content and services to users, we lost track of the user experience." http://www.iab.com/news/lean/ http://www.iab.com/news/lean/
- jhall1468 11y ago
  > Duckduckgo makes a good case for non-targeted ads while stille being profitable. So there is a happy medium and, in your opinion, it's non-targeted ads. Yet uBlock and uBlock Origin and the millions of people that use them are blocking DuckDuckGo ads. piwik is an open-source, locally installed, piece of analytic's software that is blocked by default in the above AND in adblock. So you are making an argument that is presently being implemented and still being blocked.
  - bigbugbag 11y ago
    Sorry, I may have not expressed myself in clear enough way, please allow me to try again: IMO there is no happy medium, all ads are unwelcomed on the net. duckduckgo debunks the myth that ads need to be targeted as is the usual investor storytime myth. I was using phpmyvisites before it spawned piwik and have been pushing piwik as an alternative to google analytics since, still piwik is a tracking mechanism and as such is expected to be blocked, but additional tracking script vs parsing web server logs is another debate.
    - jhall1468 11y ago
      So you said this: > Duckduckgo makes a good case for non-targeted ads while still being profitable. For what reason exactly? So they debunked a myth that is moot anyway because the very premise of the myth is unwelcome.
  - pseudalopex 11y ago
    Sure, it's hard to imagine any objection to DuckDuckGo's ads that wouldn't apply to advertising in general. They're unobtrusive, clearly marked, at least somewhat relevant, supposedly non-targeted, and apparently served from the same domain without a bunch of extra JavaScript. Privacy is a big part of the DDG brand, so lying about targeting would be risky. But most ads and most sites aren't like that. How are people supposed to know which are trustworthy?