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You're living in a fantasy world. Nearly everyone universally hates spam, and nearly everyone uses a mail system that automatically filters it. They don't sign
by InclinedPlane 11y ago
You're living in a fantasy world. Nearly everyone universally hates spam, and nearly everyone uses a mail system that automatically filters it. They don't sign a pledge, they just use tools that help then avoid spam. They mark spam they get in their inbox to help others avoid it automatically. And they have no compunction about using a site that relies on spam, they merely find it annoying.
And as I mentioned there's no formal system in place where users agree to see ads in exchange for access to content. Nor is there a moral obligation to do so.
- DanBC 11y agoBut people the people who created those early spam filters - they all signed the Boulder Pledge. They all agreed that not only would they block spam, but they would also never ever buy a product promoted with spam. > Nor is there a moral obligation to do so. Don't pretend that you have unique moral authority, able to decide the rights and wrongs. If you don't want ads you should boycott ad supported sites - not giving them your traffic is at least as effective as giving them your traffic but hiding their ads. They respond to you by having advertisers paying for content. They respond to me by improving the quality of the content and charging for it.
- chris_wot 11y agoAre we talking about spam or ads served over the web? If the latter - they are taking up my bandwidth!
- JupiterMoon 11y agoIf either reach your local machine then they are both taking up your bandwidth.
- JupiterMoon 11y agoI dislike like spam and adverts in roughly equal measure and I've never heard of this Boulder Pledge. > But people the people who created those early spam filters - they all signed the Boulder Pledge. They all agreed that not only would they block spam, but they would also never ever buy a product promoted with spam. And people that use spam filters on a daily basis just like the fact that they don't get as much spam anymore. You know like people that use adblockers and appreciate that they don't have as many adverts anymore. You are comparing apples and cats. If you want to compare apples and apples compare the people that created spam filters with those that created blockers and compare the people that use spam filters with those that use blockers.
- DanBC 11y ago> I dislike like spam and adverts in roughly equal measure and I've never heard of this Boulder Pledge. How old are you? How long have you been using the Internet? Do you remember the time before commercial use of the WWW?
- teddyh 11y agoI’ve used the Internet since before the Web, and I’ve never heard of the Boulder Pledge either.
- JupiterMoon 11y ago> Do you remember the time before commercial use of the WWW? Yes Any thoughts on the rest of my comments?
- DanBC 11y agoNot really, I was just curious about the[1] change in culture from "don't support people sending you ads by giving them your custom or pageviews" to "just block the ads, and take the content." [1] There hasn't been any change. It's just my perception, and that turns out to be wrong.
- Floegipoky 11y agoMy favorite part of HN, the reason I prefer this news feed over any other, is because the comments are usually intelligent and civil. Your comment here is neither, and it just turned a discussion about the morality of ad-blocking and the viability of ad-based revenue models into a dick measuring contest. Not cool.
- bmelton 11y agoA more charitable reading of DanBC's comment is simply inquisitive. If we're going to hold civility in such high esteem, then we should also be assuming good faith, which it seems you have not done.