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There's a lot of hate for systemd and there's also a lot of people ignoring valid criticisms and going so far as labeling those making the criticisms as haters

by Sevrene 11y ago

There's a lot of hate for systemd and there's also a lot of people ignoring valid criticisms and going so far as labeling those making the criticisms as haters. This does not bode well for reasonable discussion. It has become very political. Whether systemd is a good thing or a bad thing depends ultimately on what you're trying to do and what sort of operating system you're using. For some people systemd is really helpful, for others it gets in the way and creates unnecessary complexity where it otherwise wouldn't exist. I've been using systemd along with fleet on coreos, and it's fantastic for me but I personally wouldn't want systemd on my desktop. The problem is that it has been forced onto people left right and centre when it doesn't suit their needs. That essential reasonable debate never occurred and those that are forced to either swap distro or 'convert' to systemd get upset. If there was a reasonable debate people would still hate on systemd, but at least the reasons for using it would be more known and the criticisms atleast acknowledged.

digi_owl 11y ago
> There's a lot of hate for systemd and there's also a lot of people ignoring valid criticisms and going so far as labeling those making the criticisms as haters. This does not bode well for reasonable discussion. It has become very political. I can't shake the suspicion that ever since gamergate, or perhaps even "for the lulz" anonymous, there have been people going around the net, latching onto anything vaguely controversial, and trying their best to stir up trouble by making threats and statements that are barely relevant to the topic.
- Sevrene 11y ago
  I think there has pretty much always been trolls on the internet. Back in the 90s it felt like no one took the happenings on the internet all that seriously, it was a bit of a lark. Now that it's much more mainstream, it's embedded in our everyday lives and companies make a lot of money from it. So it would make sense that everyone takes it a lot more seriously and it's easier to troll people if they take you seriously. Although not all haters are trolls of course, but it's really hard(impossible?) to tell over the internet (Poe's law), especially when you have haters, fanatics and trolls all playing each other and the only person who wins is the troll in that scenario.

by Sevrene 11y ago

digi_owl 11y ago

> There's a lot of hate for systemd and there's also a lot of people ignoring valid criticisms and going so far as labeling those making the criticisms as haters. This does not bode well for reasonable discussion. It has become very political. I can't shake the suspicion that ever since gamergate, or perhaps even "for the lulz" anonymous, there have been people going around the net, latching onto anything vaguely controversial, and trying their best to stir up trouble by making threats and statements that are barely relevant to the topic.

Sevrene 11y ago
I think there has pretty much always been trolls on the internet. Back in the 90s it felt like no one took the happenings on the internet all that seriously, it was a bit of a lark. Now that it's much more mainstream, it's embedded in our everyday lives and companies make a lot of money from it. So it would make sense that everyone takes it a lot more seriously and it's easier to troll people if they take you seriously. Although not all haters are trolls of course, but it's really hard(impossible?) to tell over the internet (Poe's law), especially when you have haters, fanatics and trolls all playing each other and the only person who wins is the troll in that scenario.