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Is there a reason more sites don't do self hosted ads? Is there a general way these can be blocked as well? If the ad is coming from their own server and displ

Is there a reason more sites don't do self hosted ads? Is there a general way these can be blocked as well? If the ad is coming from their own server and displayed with their own custom HTML/CSS, I can't see an obvious way these could be detected and blocked in general.

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hcon 11y ago
> Is there a reason more sites don't do self hosted ads? Google Adsense (for example) is a live auction clearing house where you paste a snippet of code into your site that resolves into the highest bidder for the keywords on each page. You're done. Meanwhile, hosting your own ads entails finding advertisers, wooing them, developing a relationship with them, maintaining that relationship, negotiating a contract, settling that contract, building an ad-serving system somehow, automating it somehow, etc. And that's if you're even big enough to attract anyone or even warrant the work to begin with. And the second you try to generalize it (which is what ad networks do), then you're back on every adblocker's default blocklist.
- nsomaru 11y ago
  Why not build a generic system where ads are served to the server serving the website (which maintains a cache of relevant ads and serves them appropriately)? That way you can get the benefits of a network + the benefits of serving from the same server that is serving the content
  - hcon 11y ago
    Yeah, I'm sure Adsense will let you proxy requests through my server soon or release some similar offering. It would come at the massive expense of high-quality tracking and thus incur a massive reduction in ad revenue, but it's an imminent trade-off that beats unconditional adblocking. I think everything is just waiting for the actual tipping point that forces everyone's hand like we always do. Adblockers are still the minority.
- RUG3Y 11y ago
  In other words, lazy content providers are complaining because user's are unwilling to conform to the model that they want us to.
  - hcon 11y ago
    Well, it's the model that works for almost everyone until some sort of shift happens. For example, the ease of Adsense is the only reason why my forum is still alive. It's a medium-sized collaborative fiction writing forum with a userbase composed of mostly teens without money (I've tried scavenging for donations once). Every year my banner ad makes me less and less money. And when it stops breaking even with its rent, I will close it down. Now, some people in these threads, even perhaps yourself, would argue that my forum simply shouldn't exist since it's dependent on ads or because "I'm too lazy" to spend time trying to find a business model for a forum that already makes me almost no money, but it would be a loss for my users.
whyever 11y ago
Self-hosted ads are at a competitive disadvantage, because they are not as targeted as ads that can track you over several websites.
- seanwilson 11y ago
  I'm curious where we reach the point where ad blockers tip the scales here.
Macha 11y ago
A certain ad blocking list contains /ads /advertisers etc. in its default patterns

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hcon 11y ago

> Is there a reason more sites don't do self hosted ads? Google Adsense (for example) is a live auction clearing house where you paste a snippet of code into your site that resolves into the highest bidder for the keywords on each page. You're done. Meanwhile, hosting your own ads entails finding advertisers, wooing them, developing a relationship with them, maintaining that relationship, negotiating a contract, settling that contract, building an ad-serving system somehow, automating it somehow, etc. And that's if you're even big enough to attract anyone or even warrant the work to begin with. And the second you try to generalize it (which is what ad networks do), then you're back on every adblocker's default blocklist.

nsomaru 11y ago
Why not build a generic system where ads are served to the server serving the website (which maintains a cache of relevant ads and serves them appropriately)? That way you can get the benefits of a network + the benefits of serving from the same server that is serving the content
- hcon 11y ago
  Yeah, I'm sure Adsense will let you proxy requests through my server soon or release some similar offering. It would come at the massive expense of high-quality tracking and thus incur a massive reduction in ad revenue, but it's an imminent trade-off that beats unconditional adblocking. I think everything is just waiting for the actual tipping point that forces everyone's hand like we always do. Adblockers are still the minority.
RUG3Y 11y ago
In other words, lazy content providers are complaining because user's are unwilling to conform to the model that they want us to.
- hcon 11y ago
  Well, it's the model that works for almost everyone until some sort of shift happens. For example, the ease of Adsense is the only reason why my forum is still alive. It's a medium-sized collaborative fiction writing forum with a userbase composed of mostly teens without money (I've tried scavenging for donations once). Every year my banner ad makes me less and less money. And when it stops breaking even with its rent, I will close it down. Now, some people in these threads, even perhaps yourself, would argue that my forum simply shouldn't exist since it's dependent on ads or because "I'm too lazy" to spend time trying to find a business model for a forum that already makes me almost no money, but it would be a loss for my users.

whyever 11y ago

Self-hosted ads are at a competitive disadvantage, because they are not as targeted as ads that can track you over several websites.

seanwilson 11y ago
I'm curious where we reach the point where ad blockers tip the scales here.

Macha 11y ago

A certain ad blocking list contains /ads /advertisers etc. in its default patterns