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This well-circulated image shows that making everyone a winner has merit in some circumstances. http://static.themetapicture.com/media/funny-equality-justice-b

by iand 11y ago

This well-circulated image shows that making everyone a winner has merit in some circumstances. http://static.themetapicture.com/media/funny-equality-justice-baseball-fence.jpg http://static.themetapicture.com/media/funny-equality-justic... The left hand side is fair rules, the right hand side shows a fair outcome

rewqfdsa 11y ago
The baseball game in the image wouldn't be worth if equality of outcome were the rule for baseball team tryouts. The entire game is based on fair competition under the rules pushing participants toward excellence. Inequality of outcome is the entire reason we see baseball played at a high level. When you demand equality of outcome regardless of talent or effort, you're asking for society to stagnate. You're asking for pervasive mediocrity. You're asking for us to kill effort and motivation. No thanks.
- pygy_ 11y ago
  You're beating a straw man. He said in some circumstances.
  - rewqfdsa 11y ago
    Yet he didn't list any or describe any criteria for evaluating them. The "in some circumstances" bit was just a way to weasel out of potential objections.
    - pygy_ 11y ago
      I thought the example was pretty obvious.
vog 11y ago
The link is down (shows a jpeg with a single white pixel), but I guess that one is the same: http://themetapicture.com/points-of-view/ http://themetapicture.com/points-of-view/
bmmayer1 11y ago
It's never a bad idea to think about how these ideas play out when taken to their logical conclusion. Kurt Vonnegut on the subject: http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html
Asbostos 11y ago
That's alright if the goal is to help the individuals, like welfare. But it's not OK if the goal is to get people to do the most extreme things, like job applicant selection looking for a "best" applicant or baseball team for a best player. A person who can be successful without needing as many boxes to stand on as others. Don't forget that it's these "best" people who add a vastly disproportionate amount of value to the world. They're the ones who invent new technology and discover new science. We all benefit greatly from their success.
getsat 11y ago
It's really more like this version of the image: http://i.imgur.com/DqKXPF3.png http://i.imgur.com/DqKXPF3.png

by iand 11y ago

rewqfdsa 11y ago

The baseball game in the image wouldn't be worth if equality of outcome were the rule for baseball team tryouts. The entire game is based on fair competition under the rules pushing participants toward excellence. Inequality of outcome is the entire reason we see baseball played at a high level. When you demand equality of outcome regardless of talent or effort, you're asking for society to stagnate. You're asking for pervasive mediocrity. You're asking for us to kill effort and motivation. No thanks.

pygy_ 11y ago
You're beating a straw man. He said in some circumstances.
- rewqfdsa 11y ago
  Yet he didn't list any or describe any criteria for evaluating them. The "in some circumstances" bit was just a way to weasel out of potential objections.
  - pygy_ 11y ago
    I thought the example was pretty obvious.

vog 11y ago

The link is down (shows a jpeg with a single white pixel), but I guess that one is the same: http://themetapicture.com/points-of-view/ http://themetapicture.com/points-of-view/

bmmayer1 11y ago

It's never a bad idea to think about how these ideas play out when taken to their logical conclusion. Kurt Vonnegut on the subject: http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/harrison.html

Asbostos 11y ago

That's alright if the goal is to help the individuals, like welfare. But it's not OK if the goal is to get people to do the most extreme things, like job applicant selection looking for a "best" applicant or baseball team for a best player. A person who can be successful without needing as many boxes to stand on as others. Don't forget that it's these "best" people who add a vastly disproportionate amount of value to the world. They're the ones who invent new technology and discover new science. We all benefit greatly from their success.

getsat 11y ago

It's really more like this version of the image: http://i.imgur.com/DqKXPF3.png http://i.imgur.com/DqKXPF3.png