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Well that's a good question, I'd like to have an answer to that. debian adoption of systemd was a bumpy ride to say the least, it caused a few long time contrib

Well that's a good question, I'd like to have an answer to that. debian adoption of systemd was a bumpy ride to say the least, it caused a few long time contributors to resign and others to fork debian to remove systemd in a new distro called devuan. Then again systemd gobbled other critical components such as udev, there's also gnome that made it a strict requirement, like a cancer it grows and takes over other components.

XorNot 11y ago
Devuan is someone's extended tantrum and little more. Like every other rage-fork it'll die a slow death because who wants to develop on a platform founded on the premise of "why do we need to change anything? It's all working fine!"
- vezzy-fnord 11y ago
  And yet: https://git.devuan.org/explore https://git.devuan.org/explore They began work on a logind compatibility layer over ConsoleKit2, they're writing a NetworkManager alternative, they directly influenced and are supporting a udev alternative called vdev (which also has libudev compatibility), and a host of other things. For a rage-fork, it's pretty impressive. They're changing a lot. It's easier to just astroturf in the corner, though, I suppose.
  - simoncion 11y ago
    > ...they directly influenced and are supporting a udev alternative called vdev... Have you a notion as to why they're using vdev rather than eudev? What appears to be the vdev introductory blog post makes no mention of eudev.
    - digi_owl 11y ago
      Possibly because vdev is a clean break, while eudev is still mostly about udev stripped from systemd. And that stripping will be more complicated moving forward, as i recall a recent systemd release moved various bits from udev to a new systemd lib. Leaving the udev interfaces as stubs to be removed at some undetermined future date.
johnny22 11y ago
yet gnome still runs on the BSDs that have no systemd.

XorNot 11y ago

Devuan is someone's extended tantrum and little more. Like every other rage-fork it'll die a slow death because who wants to develop on a platform founded on the premise of "why do we need to change anything? It's all working fine!"

vezzy-fnord 11y ago
And yet: https://git.devuan.org/explore https://git.devuan.org/explore They began work on a logind compatibility layer over ConsoleKit2, they're writing a NetworkManager alternative, they directly influenced and are supporting a udev alternative called vdev (which also has libudev compatibility), and a host of other things. For a rage-fork, it's pretty impressive. They're changing a lot. It's easier to just astroturf in the corner, though, I suppose.
- simoncion 11y ago
  > ...they directly influenced and are supporting a udev alternative called vdev... Have you a notion as to why they're using vdev rather than eudev? What appears to be the vdev introductory blog post makes no mention of eudev.
  - digi_owl 11y ago
    Possibly because vdev is a clean break, while eudev is still mostly about udev stripped from systemd. And that stripping will be more complicated moving forward, as i recall a recent systemd release moved various bits from udev to a new systemd lib. Leaving the udev interfaces as stubs to be removed at some undetermined future date.

johnny22 11y ago

yet gnome still runs on the BSDs that have no systemd.