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I'd also like an answer to this question, as well as an answer to the question of what, in exacting detail please, was so wrong with the previous system it need

by _cudgel 11y ago

I'd also like an answer to this question, as well as an answer to the question of what, in exacting detail please, was so wrong with the previous system it needed to be torn out and replaced? I definitely tend toward the curmudgeonly, but to this grumpy old man, it seems like we're replacing things simply for the sake of change.

vezzy-fnord 11y ago
Nah, the old system did need replacing [1], and plenty of them were in fact done. [2] Evidently they went understudied, though. [1] http://homepage.ntlworld.com./jonathan.deboynepollard/FGA/system-5-rc-problems.html http://homepage.ntlworld.com./jonathan.deboynepollard/FGA/sy... [2] http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/09/05/0/ http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/09/05/0/
- _cudgel 11y ago
  Thanks -- this is exactly the sort of follow-up I was hoping for!
- bigbugbag 11y ago
  it did, but systemd is not the silver bullet that will fix it. "It's often said that a half-truth is worse than a lie. In the case of systemd, a half-improvement is worse than a complete flop. People are focusing on the features they want to use and ignoring the ones that will come back to bite them later. No, my biggest problem with systemd is that it is repeating the mistakes of System V all over again. It's just given them a change of clothes to appeal to the 21st century." rest the rest at: http://www.steven-mcdonald.id.au/articles/systemd.shtml http://www.steven-mcdonald.id.au/articles/systemd.shtml for the debunking of the necessity of having journald see http://lpar.ath0.com/2014/05/18/why-i-dont-like-systemd/ http://lpar.ath0.com/2014/05/18/why-i-dont-like-systemd/
  - vezzy-fnord 11y ago
    I wrote the first full scale technical critique of systemd, so you don't have to tell me all that. I've read the articles, btw.
    - bigbugbag 11y ago
      Sorry if I have bothered you, I wasn't replying directly to you but was actually aiming at adding a complement to your answer.
- digi_owl 11y ago
  At this point in time though i wonder if focusing on the init part is missing the forest for the trees. I think just as much of a stink comes with how you need to have systemd-the-init to use systemd-logind (replacing consolekit for session tracking) or any number of other possibly interesting, but tied to the hip of systemd, sub-projects.

by _cudgel 11y ago

vezzy-fnord 11y ago

Nah, the old system did need replacing [1], and plenty of them were in fact done. [2] Evidently they went understudied, though. [1] http://homepage.ntlworld.com./jonathan.deboynepollard/FGA/system-5-rc-problems.html http://homepage.ntlworld.com./jonathan.deboynepollard/FGA/sy... [2] http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/09/05/0/ http://blog.darknedgy.net/technology/2015/09/05/0/

_cudgel 11y ago
Thanks -- this is exactly the sort of follow-up I was hoping for!
bigbugbag 11y ago
it did, but systemd is not the silver bullet that will fix it. "It's often said that a half-truth is worse than a lie. In the case of systemd, a half-improvement is worse than a complete flop. People are focusing on the features they want to use and ignoring the ones that will come back to bite them later. No, my biggest problem with systemd is that it is repeating the mistakes of System V all over again. It's just given them a change of clothes to appeal to the 21st century." rest the rest at: http://www.steven-mcdonald.id.au/articles/systemd.shtml http://www.steven-mcdonald.id.au/articles/systemd.shtml for the debunking of the necessity of having journald see http://lpar.ath0.com/2014/05/18/why-i-dont-like-systemd/ http://lpar.ath0.com/2014/05/18/why-i-dont-like-systemd/
- vezzy-fnord 11y ago
  I wrote the first full scale technical critique of systemd, so you don't have to tell me all that. I've read the articles, btw.
  - bigbugbag 11y ago
    Sorry if I have bothered you, I wasn't replying directly to you but was actually aiming at adding a complement to your answer.
digi_owl 11y ago
At this point in time though i wonder if focusing on the init part is missing the forest for the trees. I think just as much of a stink comes with how you need to have systemd-the-init to use systemd-logind (replacing consolekit for session tracking) or any number of other possibly interesting, but tied to the hip of systemd, sub-projects.