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I quite don't get why you're complaining with such a compensation, seriously. $165.000, goddamn. I'm 27 and I barely make 1/8 of that a year, being a full stack

by omegote 11y ago

I quite don't get why you're complaining with such a compensation, seriously. $165.000, goddamn. I'm 27 and I barely make 1/8 of that a year, being a full stack web developer, in Spain. And here you are, complaining. Sometimes I think you guys in the US live in another world. Better yet, you should try to live in another country. You'd quickly earn how inflated the startup scene salaries are in the US.

toocool 11y ago
I bet my monthly rent covers 6 months of your housing expenses :) I find useful in these cases to compare monthly_income / monthly_rent to get a relative index that is more comparable across countries.
marvel_boy 11y ago
Inflated salaries? No, technical work is not inflated in the US. In Spain companies pay nuts to engineers, and persons like you are responsible for this.
Pizzalover 11y ago
Off course you are being downvoted. HN sucks sometimes.
askafriend 11y ago
No. That is the kind of salary technical contributions deserve (if not much more). You are the one getting under-compensated and that's the real issue here.
brazzledazzle 11y ago
Ignoring the difference in salaries due to markets for a moment: This is obviously about respect and acknowledgement concerning this person's contribution. That said, if you don't already you must learn that cost of living and the job market have a huge impact on compensation and can vary dramatically from region to region in a country. Different countries entirely are literally a world apart. If you do already know this your comment can only be taken as sour grapes. Even giving you the benefit of the doubt concerning that still makes your comment a bit shitty. You have a skill that can be used not just remotely to get paid more, but as a basis for immigrating to a country that can pay you what you're worth. Yes, that's easier said than done but if you want something more you can get it with hard work and some elbow grease.
- drugsAreBad0001 11y ago
  Your comment is the shitty one. The guy makes more than 90% of the rest of the ENTIRE country, but he's "screwed"? Are you kidding? Only someone with an insane entitlement complex can fucking complain about 165k a year not being enough. Keep on being the reason the rest of the world hates the US, you're doing a GREAT JOB.
  - brazzledazzle 11y ago
    Even though you're being over the top and hostile I really do get what you're saying and I sympathize with your situation. The recognized value someone brings is unfortunately often very much dependent on their geographic location. Since you're not native to the US (apologies if you are), I think you should understand that the US is a big place. Even many of the states are huge. Even many huge cities like Los Angeles can have dramatically different cost of living expenses depending on the area. Someone living in Alabama, even in a nice city in a nice area is going to have a much lower cost of living than someone in the Los Angeles area. So making more than 90% of the country seems like it's saying a lot but it really isn't. If this were simply a case of a normal employee at a mid-to-large corp it would be a completely different question. And even though this isn't the case his compensation and shares may be more than enough. I'm not arguing that it is or isn't. I'm simply pointing out two things: 1) That even if this was a normal "established company hires an employee" relationship where a someone making 25K in a different country is comparing apples to oranges. 2) A very early employee can be the difference between success and failure for a startup. Even more so if there are two founders and only one is technical. They want to feel respected for their contribution and compensated accordingly. 165K plus 3% might be more than enough. But that compensation package has nothing to do with the rest of the country or the world. Period. It's another apples-to-oranges comparison.
  - dang 11y ago
    We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the HN guidelines. If you don't want it to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com. We're happy to unban people if (but only if) they give us reason to believe they'll follow the rules in the future.

by omegote 11y ago

toocool 11y ago

I bet my monthly rent covers 6 months of your housing expenses :) I find useful in these cases to compare monthly_income / monthly_rent to get a relative index that is more comparable across countries.

marvel_boy 11y ago

Inflated salaries? No, technical work is not inflated in the US. In Spain companies pay nuts to engineers, and persons like you are responsible for this.

Pizzalover 11y ago

Off course you are being downvoted. HN sucks sometimes.

askafriend 11y ago

No. That is the kind of salary technical contributions deserve (if not much more). You are the one getting under-compensated and that's the real issue here.

brazzledazzle 11y ago

Ignoring the difference in salaries due to markets for a moment: This is obviously about respect and acknowledgement concerning this person's contribution. That said, if you don't already you must learn that cost of living and the job market have a huge impact on compensation and can vary dramatically from region to region in a country. Different countries entirely are literally a world apart. If you do already know this your comment can only be taken as sour grapes. Even giving you the benefit of the doubt concerning that still makes your comment a bit shitty. You have a skill that can be used not just remotely to get paid more, but as a basis for immigrating to a country that can pay you what you're worth. Yes, that's easier said than done but if you want something more you can get it with hard work and some elbow grease.

drugsAreBad0001 11y ago
Your comment is the shitty one. The guy makes more than 90% of the rest of the ENTIRE country, but he's "screwed"? Are you kidding? Only someone with an insane entitlement complex can fucking complain about 165k a year not being enough. Keep on being the reason the rest of the world hates the US, you're doing a GREAT JOB.
- brazzledazzle 11y ago
  Even though you're being over the top and hostile I really do get what you're saying and I sympathize with your situation. The recognized value someone brings is unfortunately often very much dependent on their geographic location. Since you're not native to the US (apologies if you are), I think you should understand that the US is a big place. Even many of the states are huge. Even many huge cities like Los Angeles can have dramatically different cost of living expenses depending on the area. Someone living in Alabama, even in a nice city in a nice area is going to have a much lower cost of living than someone in the Los Angeles area. So making more than 90% of the country seems like it's saying a lot but it really isn't. If this were simply a case of a normal employee at a mid-to-large corp it would be a completely different question. And even though this isn't the case his compensation and shares may be more than enough. I'm not arguing that it is or isn't. I'm simply pointing out two things: 1) That even if this was a normal "established company hires an employee" relationship where a someone making 25K in a different country is comparing apples to oranges. 2) A very early employee can be the difference between success and failure for a startup. Even more so if there are two founders and only one is technical. They want to feel respected for their contribution and compensated accordingly. 165K plus 3% might be more than enough. But that compensation package has nothing to do with the rest of the country or the world. Period. It's another apples-to-oranges comparison.
- dang 11y ago
  We've banned this account for repeatedly breaking the HN guidelines. If you don't want it to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com. We're happy to unban people if (but only if) they give us reason to believe they'll follow the rules in the future.