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Seriously. Who the fuck is going to look at a resume with "last 10 years at NASA building shit for a MOTHERFUCKING DEEP SPACE PROBE" and go... nah, dude(tte) d

Seriously. Who the fuck is going to look at a resume with "last 10 years at NASA building shit for a MOTHERFUCKING DEEP SPACE PROBE" and go... nah, dude(tte) doesn't have node.js on his resume... NEXT!

netheril96 11y ago
Automated resume scanner would do that.
hawkice 11y ago
Honestly, I have spoken to and worked with some of these engineers, and if they've been ten years deep on software that has no capacity for errors at all, they can be a bit difficult. Not just "I can't use that tool, it has a garbage collector", but when they are put in front of a frontend, they end up re-inventing basic things constantly, because they have absolutely no context. Honestly, going from that kind of development to web development, "last 10 years" doesn't mean much -- they are essentially junior programmers again. Expect them to break things because they self-closed a script tag. Except them to break things because they forgot to set the button type to button and so some browsers POST. Heaven forbid you use tech where it doesn't default HTML and SQL escape. It's very very easy to forget the amount of extremely specific domain knowledge we all have that keeps things from imploding, and if they don't have it, their code doesn't hit production without a senior dev looking over it.
- mreiland 11y ago
  You hire an extremely smart, talented individual with some ramp up time, or pass on them for someone less talented (and less smart?) with less ramp up time. I can't speak to your current needs when hiring someone, but you're mistaken if you think I was assuming they can pick up web dev with no mistakes made.
krapp 11y ago
Someone who wants to hire a node.js programmer and doesn't want to overpay for expertise they can't use. An engineer who spent the last decade working on motherfucking space probes for NASA but can't hit the ground running with javascript today is going to be passed over for the kid right out of high school who can, in that case. That said, if you worked for the last decade on space probes for NASA, you're probably smart enough to avoid web development altogether.
- WWLink 11y ago
  lol the arrogance of a lot of people here is astonishing. The programmers I do know in the aerospace industry like dicking around with all kinds of stuff. I'm pretty sure any of the ones I'm thinking of could pick up node.js in a heartbeat if they had a reason to. :) Usually, those things are seen as tools you use to solve problems. And the fun is in solving problems. Seriously the people getting all wrapped up in the node.js are just as bad as the stereotypical veterans that spent 30 years wrangling fortran on a PDP that haven't learned anything else.
TeMPOraL 11y ago
Probably most nowadays, because IT is no longer primarily made of geeks, but out of sales and marketing people who think their next ad-exchange SaaS platform for 3D-printed kitten cloud computing solutions is The Best Thing, and space probes? "Space? Yeah, there's something like that, they put it in movies sometimes, but who really cares about it?"
- _delirium 11y ago
  Possibly true if you're trying to get a job for an ad-exchange SaaS platform like you mention. But is that really where you'd go next after significant experience doing low-level, high-assurance programming at NASA? There are plenty of other parts of the tech industry whose hiring managers would appreciate that experience a lot more. For example, any kind of embedded-systems job, or even most "regular" programming jobs in more engineering-oriented industries like energy and aerospace.

netheril96 11y ago

Automated resume scanner would do that.

hawkice 11y ago

Honestly, I have spoken to and worked with some of these engineers, and if they've been ten years deep on software that has no capacity for errors at all, they can be a bit difficult. Not just "I can't use that tool, it has a garbage collector", but when they are put in front of a frontend, they end up re-inventing basic things constantly, because they have absolutely no context. Honestly, going from that kind of development to web development, "last 10 years" doesn't mean much -- they are essentially junior programmers again. Expect them to break things because they self-closed a script tag. Except them to break things because they forgot to set the button type to button and so some browsers POST. Heaven forbid you use tech where it doesn't default HTML and SQL escape. It's very very easy to forget the amount of extremely specific domain knowledge we all have that keeps things from imploding, and if they don't have it, their code doesn't hit production without a senior dev looking over it.

mreiland 11y ago
You hire an extremely smart, talented individual with some ramp up time, or pass on them for someone less talented (and less smart?) with less ramp up time. I can't speak to your current needs when hiring someone, but you're mistaken if you think I was assuming they can pick up web dev with no mistakes made.

krapp 11y ago

Someone who wants to hire a node.js programmer and doesn't want to overpay for expertise they can't use. An engineer who spent the last decade working on motherfucking space probes for NASA but can't hit the ground running with javascript today is going to be passed over for the kid right out of high school who can, in that case. That said, if you worked for the last decade on space probes for NASA, you're probably smart enough to avoid web development altogether.

WWLink 11y ago
lol the arrogance of a lot of people here is astonishing. The programmers I do know in the aerospace industry like dicking around with all kinds of stuff. I'm pretty sure any of the ones I'm thinking of could pick up node.js in a heartbeat if they had a reason to. :) Usually, those things are seen as tools you use to solve problems. And the fun is in solving problems. Seriously the people getting all wrapped up in the node.js are just as bad as the stereotypical veterans that spent 30 years wrangling fortran on a PDP that haven't learned anything else.

TeMPOraL 11y ago

Probably most nowadays, because IT is no longer primarily made of geeks, but out of sales and marketing people who think their next ad-exchange SaaS platform for 3D-printed kitten cloud computing solutions is The Best Thing, and space probes? "Space? Yeah, there's something like that, they put it in movies sometimes, but who really cares about it?"

_delirium 11y ago
Possibly true if you're trying to get a job for an ad-exchange SaaS platform like you mention. But is that really where you'd go next after significant experience doing low-level, high-assurance programming at NASA? There are plenty of other parts of the tech industry whose hiring managers would appreciate that experience a lot more. For example, any kind of embedded-systems job, or even most "regular" programming jobs in more engineering-oriented industries like energy and aerospace.