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Unfortunately, policing culture is very territorial and operates at extreme levels of testosterone fueled territory marking. A tech-nerd (with possibly some au

Unfortunately, policing culture is very territorial and operates at extreme levels of testosterone fueled territory marking. A tech-nerd (with possibly some autistic traits from the descriptions) is never going to get along in that environment without someone seriously watching over them. And whoever that is, will have some serious work to do in order to get the best for the department. Cops are trained to push peoples buttons and make them lose control. Tim seems to have not seen the play coming and was fairly easily sideswiped before he even got far off the ground. It sounds like SPD are not up to the job - even though someone at least seemed to be in the right direction when they hired Tim in the first place. If they had been able to follow through with the right support, SPD could have been an incredibly awesome exemplar of Policing and tech done right. To me, it sounds like there are serious management problems with the department - this situation would never have happened if people were properly competent. Sadly, in my own experience, Policing and tech are never done terribly well. It always ends up with the snoopers and intrusive abusers gaining more ground and the things which really help keep people safer and more secure being thrown in the ditch or run over completely.

metric10 11y ago
> Sadly, in my own experience, Policing and tech are never done terribly well. This is a poor example of the two cultures not getting along. No IT person worth his salt would ever allow someone to come in and start deploying one off applications like this in a 911 call center of all places.
buffportion 11y ago
"Cops are trained to push peoples buttons and make them lose control" They are? I could see why, say, detectives interviewing a suspect might use that approach to try to get them to say something incriminating, but for regular cops I would think their job is made much easier if the people they interact with are calm.
- derefr 11y ago
  Think of executing searches. A cop needs a reason to search someone (their person, their car, etc.), beyond just being suspicious. Frequently they can prod people into providing them such a reason.
- woodman 11y ago
  That is not in their own interest though, the incentives aren't aligned with the stated mission. Consider job security, advancement and cop culture.
  - CountSessine 11y ago
    That's a very cynical view of police.
    - 15charlimit 11y ago
      That's a very accurate view of most police. Fixed it for you.
      - newjersey 11y ago
        Yes and it is for a good reason. Earlier today in New Jersey: > A jury yesterday found Spolizino, 37, not guilty of death by auto and leaving the scene of a fatal accident in the death of 24-year-old Stephen Clifford on April 19, 2013. An aggravated manslaughter charge had been tossed earlier by the judge. http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2015/10/acquitted_jersey_city_cop_remaining_on_modified_du.html http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2015/10/acquitted_jersey_... > Authorities said Spolizino was driving 60 miles per hour -- 35 MPH over the speed limit -- when his vehicle struck Clifford on Kennedy Boulevard. The state argued Spolizino caused Clifford's death through the recklessness of the speed at which he was driving. > The jury disagreed. > Video showed the pickup continue north on Kennedy Boulevard where it went through a red light at Montgomery Street before pulling over. > The video then showed the pickup go into reverse and back up to Montgomery, the officer quickly dialed 911 and a witness said he saw the officer at the scene of the crash within five to 10 minutes of the impact. > During the trial, Garrigan noted that Clifford was crossing against the green, implying that Clifford bore some of the responsibility. He also noted that speeding on Kennedy Boulevard is common. http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2015/10/jersey_city_police_officer_michael_spolizino_not_g.html#incart_2box_hudson http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2015/10/jersey_city_polic... I don't have any insight into the case in particular but I really doubt the outcome would have been the same if the person driving were not a police officer. In other news, the NJ police had choice words for Tarantino. > The New Jersey State Policeman’s Benevolent Association has become the latest police organization to call for a boycott of Quentin Tarantino’s films, following the director’s participation in an anti-police brutality march in New York last weekend. [...] >“Quentin Tarantino needs to understand that as a public figure his voice is one that people listen to,” Colligan’s statement continued. “He has an obligation to be more responsible. This is not a movie, this is real life where police officers lives are impacted by his words.” http://www.ew.com/article/2015/10/30/new-jersey-police-quentin-tarantino-boycott http://www.ew.com/article/2015/10/30/new-jersey-police-quent... (sorry for quoting ew, you don't have to click the link) You know what impacts police officers' credibility more than a director's words? The benches of police officers that filled up in solidarity of a police officer who doesn't deny that he was behind the wheel of a car in a hit and run case driving 60 miles per hour on a 35 miles per hour area. Would any of the police officers be there if it was... I don't know... an undocumented immigrant without a license or an out of state driver or anyone who was not a police officer?
njharman 11y ago
> policing culture is very territorial and operates at extreme levels of testosterone fueled territory marking. Business culture is that way. Heck human culture is that way. To be successful and / or engender change you must learn how to deal effectively with that culture. Hint blowing up and cursing aren't how.

metric10 11y ago

> Sadly, in my own experience, Policing and tech are never done terribly well. This is a poor example of the two cultures not getting along. No IT person worth his salt would ever allow someone to come in and start deploying one off applications like this in a 911 call center of all places.

buffportion 11y ago

"Cops are trained to push peoples buttons and make them lose control" They are? I could see why, say, detectives interviewing a suspect might use that approach to try to get them to say something incriminating, but for regular cops I would think their job is made much easier if the people they interact with are calm.

derefr 11y ago
Think of executing searches. A cop needs a reason to search someone (their person, their car, etc.), beyond just being suspicious. Frequently they can prod people into providing them such a reason.
woodman 11y ago
That is not in their own interest though, the incentives aren't aligned with the stated mission. Consider job security, advancement and cop culture.
- CountSessine 11y ago
  That's a very cynical view of police.
  - 15charlimit 11y ago
    That's a very accurate view of most police. Fixed it for you.
    - newjersey 11y ago
      Yes and it is for a good reason. Earlier today in New Jersey: > A jury yesterday found Spolizino, 37, not guilty of death by auto and leaving the scene of a fatal accident in the death of 24-year-old Stephen Clifford on April 19, 2013. An aggravated manslaughter charge had been tossed earlier by the judge. http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2015/10/acquitted_jersey_city_cop_remaining_on_modified_du.html http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2015/10/acquitted_jersey_... > Authorities said Spolizino was driving 60 miles per hour -- 35 MPH over the speed limit -- when his vehicle struck Clifford on Kennedy Boulevard. The state argued Spolizino caused Clifford's death through the recklessness of the speed at which he was driving. > The jury disagreed. > Video showed the pickup continue north on Kennedy Boulevard where it went through a red light at Montgomery Street before pulling over. > The video then showed the pickup go into reverse and back up to Montgomery, the officer quickly dialed 911 and a witness said he saw the officer at the scene of the crash within five to 10 minutes of the impact. > During the trial, Garrigan noted that Clifford was crossing against the green, implying that Clifford bore some of the responsibility. He also noted that speeding on Kennedy Boulevard is common. http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2015/10/jersey_city_police_officer_michael_spolizino_not_g.html#incart_2box_hudson http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2015/10/jersey_city_polic... I don't have any insight into the case in particular but I really doubt the outcome would have been the same if the person driving were not a police officer. In other news, the NJ police had choice words for Tarantino. > The New Jersey State Policeman’s Benevolent Association has become the latest police organization to call for a boycott of Quentin Tarantino’s films, following the director’s participation in an anti-police brutality march in New York last weekend. [...] >“Quentin Tarantino needs to understand that as a public figure his voice is one that people listen to,” Colligan’s statement continued. “He has an obligation to be more responsible. This is not a movie, this is real life where police officers lives are impacted by his words.” http://www.ew.com/article/2015/10/30/new-jersey-police-quentin-tarantino-boycott http://www.ew.com/article/2015/10/30/new-jersey-police-quent... (sorry for quoting ew, you don't have to click the link) You know what impacts police officers' credibility more than a director's words? The benches of police officers that filled up in solidarity of a police officer who doesn't deny that he was behind the wheel of a car in a hit and run case driving 60 miles per hour on a 35 miles per hour area. Would any of the police officers be there if it was... I don't know... an undocumented immigrant without a license or an out of state driver or anyone who was not a police officer?

njharman 11y ago

> policing culture is very territorial and operates at extreme levels of testosterone fueled territory marking. Business culture is that way. Heck human culture is that way. To be successful and / or engender change you must learn how to deal effectively with that culture. Hint blowing up and cursing aren't how.