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My intent was not to offend you or other readers. Further I do not find the notion of mass extermination of humans acceptable. However the comment I replied t

by lucifer 17y ago

My intent was not to offend you or other readers. Further I do not find the notion of mass extermination of humans acceptable. However the comment I replied to posited the (imo false) notion that only religious beliefs are uniquely putting forward "absolute truths" and that the adherents of these beliefs are unique in resisting fact based analysis of their beliefs. I am not aware of rigorous studies that address the scientific and engineering aspects of the taboo subject of holocaust. Rough back of napkin calculations of the numbers involved suggest a very substantial killing machine; killing factories, in fact. And as with any other matter that is hammered into my head from every corner, I personally like to gain a certain level of comfort regarding its veracity. Since you seem to be aware of the "extensive proof and documentation" regarding this subject, I would be very grateful to see citations in literature so I can study them. (This is quite helpful since I can not raise this "scientific" topic in polite society without suffering adverse social and possibly economic consequences) The subjects that perplex me the most are: 1 - logistics: A handful of sites were used to kill people and dispose of bodies. (4 years of 12 hour days non-stop seems to indicate something around 30 people per hour non-stop.) How long does it take to reduce a human body to ashes? How much fuel does it take to do this? What sort of maintenance do these machines require? (I suppose the local crematorium can provide some factual numbers in this regard.) 2 - methodology: What chemicals were used to kill. How fast acting are these chemicals? How can these chemicals be delivered? How dangerous are they to the operators of the killing factory? What effects do they have on the factory infrastructure (corrosion, discoloration, etc.)? 3 - disposal: Assuming .2 cubic feet of ash per human body (rough guess), there should be somewhere near 1,000,000 cubic feet of human ashes around the slaughterhouses. Have they been found? From what I understand, every critical scientific effort to date to investigate the above has had serious consequences for their investigators, including incarceration for some. (No doubt I will get my virtual share of the same as well.) In contrast, I am certain that beyond ridicule, the consequences of questioning the existence of Electron, and DNA are fairly minimal.

rbanffy 17y ago
"How long does it take to reduce a human body to ashes? How much fuel does it take to do this?" Humans have a lot of fat. I suppose it is possible to sustain combustion using human fat as fuel alone. The time it takes depend on temperature, amount of fuel and availability of oxygen. "What chemicals were used to kill" AFAIK, Carbon Monoxide was the preferred means. It poses no great risk to the operators if properly restricted and it quickly dissipates in the environment. It's also easy to generate from internal combustion engines and it was used in mobile gas chambers mounted in trucks where the exhaust was directed to a compartment where the prisoners were killed while being transported. As for ash disposal, not all victims were cremated. There were many mass graves identified. "every critical scientific effort to date to investigate the above has had serious consequences for their investigators" I know of no critical scientific effort to investigate the Holocaust. Can anyone seriously believe the surviving witnesses are victims of a collective hallucination or part of a conspiracy to hide some "truth"? Can anyone discredit the exhaustive records kept about the "productivity" of the extermination fields? Quite frankly, when I decided to answer your questions I had no idea this trip to one of the darkest moments of history would have the effect it had on me. It saddens me my species is capable of such a cold, directed, rational and efficient genocide. The possibility it may happen again frightens me deeply. We should never forget the terrible atrocities we are capable of doing. This memory may be the only thing that prevents us from doing it again.
- lucifer 17y ago
  Not CO2: http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=gas+used+in+concentration+camps&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=... 2-3 hours to cremate: http://ohiocrematory.com/process.html http://ohiocrematory.com/process.html "There were many mass graves identified" The issue is the numbers involved. 6,000,000 to be exact. http://www.gmsplace.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/normandy-cemetery.jpg http://www.gmsplace.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/normandy-... "Can anyone seriously believe the surviving witnesses are victims of a collective hallucination or part of a conspiracy to hide some "truth"?" Why even go there? Simply investigate the "scientific" basis for accepting the given narrative. http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=holocaust+revisionists+jailed&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=... "It saddens me my species is capable of such a cold, directed, rational and efficient genocide. The possibility it may happen again frightens me deeply." We're in agreement, here. And we frankly don't even need to reach that far back in history for evidence of the vile in our species. One look at what was done to Gaza and Iraq suffices.

by lucifer 17y ago

rbanffy 17y ago

"How long does it take to reduce a human body to ashes? How much fuel does it take to do this?" Humans have a lot of fat. I suppose it is possible to sustain combustion using human fat as fuel alone. The time it takes depend on temperature, amount of fuel and availability of oxygen. "What chemicals were used to kill" AFAIK, Carbon Monoxide was the preferred means. It poses no great risk to the operators if properly restricted and it quickly dissipates in the environment. It's also easy to generate from internal combustion engines and it was used in mobile gas chambers mounted in trucks where the exhaust was directed to a compartment where the prisoners were killed while being transported. As for ash disposal, not all victims were cremated. There were many mass graves identified. "every critical scientific effort to date to investigate the above has had serious consequences for their investigators" I know of no critical scientific effort to investigate the Holocaust. Can anyone seriously believe the surviving witnesses are victims of a collective hallucination or part of a conspiracy to hide some "truth"? Can anyone discredit the exhaustive records kept about the "productivity" of the extermination fields? Quite frankly, when I decided to answer your questions I had no idea this trip to one of the darkest moments of history would have the effect it had on me. It saddens me my species is capable of such a cold, directed, rational and efficient genocide. The possibility it may happen again frightens me deeply. We should never forget the terrible atrocities we are capable of doing. This memory may be the only thing that prevents us from doing it again.

lucifer 17y ago
Not CO2: http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=gas+used+in+concentration+camps&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=... 2-3 hours to cremate: http://ohiocrematory.com/process.html http://ohiocrematory.com/process.html "There were many mass graves identified" The issue is the numbers involved. 6,000,000 to be exact. http://www.gmsplace.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/normandy-cemetery.jpg http://www.gmsplace.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/normandy-... "Can anyone seriously believe the surviving witnesses are victims of a collective hallucination or part of a conspiracy to hide some "truth"?" Why even go there? Simply investigate the "scientific" basis for accepting the given narrative. http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=holocaust+revisionists+jailed&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=... "It saddens me my species is capable of such a cold, directed, rational and efficient genocide. The possibility it may happen again frightens me deeply." We're in agreement, here. And we frankly don't even need to reach that far back in history for evidence of the vile in our species. One look at what was done to Gaza and Iraq suffices.