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And why exactly are people wondering that it's always the fictionalized UK that turns into a fascist dictatorship and not any other country?

by maweki 11y ago

peteretep 11y ago
Because it's pretty much the only country in Europe that's never had a facist government.
- sdoering 11y ago
  I fear, looking around me, that this might not be that much of an antidote in other European countries. Even here in Germany the historic lessons somehow seem to be at least partly forgotten. We have a lot of outspoken people against right winged extremists, but there are regions here, where the right populists patrol the streets in the name of securing against raiders from eastern countries (south eastern Saxonia for example). There the police is not able to protect people against car theft and such, so that they flock to these who promise protection. And with overwhelming majority they oftentimes get voted into local governments. I really hope such tendencies do not spread further. But clearly historic lessons seem to be forgotten in these regions.
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- fit2rule 11y ago
  Nice doublespeak. What you really mean is that its the one country in the world you would expect fascism to rise as it has been, since the UK has always had a classist bent to its politics and requires the underclass to serve at the behest of the elite. Those who have seen the other side of the Imperial table at which the UK dines know full well that the 'slide into fascism' is really just an unveiling.
  - arethuza 11y ago
    I got around to reading "A Very British Coup" last week - amazing that the book is over 30 years old, I would expect the outcome described in the book to occur if the current leader of the Labour party actually got into power (mind you - not that this very likely).
- madaxe_again 11y ago
  Hehe, that's a good one. The UK has pretty much the only European fascist government to survive the second world war. I mean, what else would you call close collusion between "loyal" industry and state? WWII wasn't "freedom v. fascism" - it was one lot of fascists against the others - and the ones that won just had better branding. Fewer skulls on uniforms, just as much pomp and pageantry, more economic fascism than social.
  - peteretep 11y ago
    The UK only has a facist government if you're willing to reduce the term to meaning "one I don't like". Take a country with one of the most diverse capitals on earth, with one of the last protectionist and most liberal capitalist systems in the world, democratic traditions that go back to the magna carta, and you get ... not facism.

And why exactly are people wondering that it's always the fictionalized UK that turns into a fascist dictatorship and not any other country?

by maweki 11y ago

And why exactly are people wondering that it's always the fictionalized UK that turns into a fascist dictatorship and not any other country?

peteretep 11y ago

Because it's pretty much the only country in Europe that's never had a facist government.

sdoering 11y ago
I fear, looking around me, that this might not be that much of an antidote in other European countries. Even here in Germany the historic lessons somehow seem to be at least partly forgotten. We have a lot of outspoken people against right winged extremists, but there are regions here, where the right populists patrol the streets in the name of securing against raiders from eastern countries (south eastern Saxonia for example). There the police is not able to protect people against car theft and such, so that they flock to these who promise protection. And with overwhelming majority they oftentimes get voted into local governments. I really hope such tendencies do not spread further. But clearly historic lessons seem to be forgotten in these regions.
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fit2rule 11y ago
Nice doublespeak. What you really mean is that its the one country in the world you would expect fascism to rise as it has been, since the UK has always had a classist bent to its politics and requires the underclass to serve at the behest of the elite. Those who have seen the other side of the Imperial table at which the UK dines know full well that the 'slide into fascism' is really just an unveiling.
- arethuza 11y ago
  I got around to reading "A Very British Coup" last week - amazing that the book is over 30 years old, I would expect the outcome described in the book to occur if the current leader of the Labour party actually got into power (mind you - not that this very likely).
madaxe_again 11y ago
Hehe, that's a good one. The UK has pretty much the only European fascist government to survive the second world war. I mean, what else would you call close collusion between "loyal" industry and state? WWII wasn't "freedom v. fascism" - it was one lot of fascists against the others - and the ones that won just had better branding. Fewer skulls on uniforms, just as much pomp and pageantry, more economic fascism than social.
- peteretep 11y ago
  The UK only has a facist government if you're willing to reduce the term to meaning "one I don't like". Take a country with one of the most diverse capitals on earth, with one of the last protectionist and most liberal capitalist systems in the world, democratic traditions that go back to the magna carta, and you get ... not facism.