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There's a fabulous amount of information in a single 35 mm frame of film. Do we have the technology to capture it all yet? What resolution is sufficient? It'
by beloch 11y ago
There's a fabulous amount of information in a single 35 mm frame of film. Do we have the technology to capture it all yet? What resolution is sufficient? It's not easy to answer this.
Perhaps the first complication worthy of notice is that not all film is alike. During the first half of the twentieth century, film evolved rapidly. First, there was the struggle to make B&W film more sensitive to light without massively increasing the size of grain. Early film required a lot of light to capture a high quality image. It was costly and difficult (not to mention unpleasant for workers/actors) to use the amount of light necessary to get a high quality B&W image with fine-grained film stock. Color film initially amplified these problems as well as introducing it's own, which is why B&W film lived on for lower budget productions long past the broad adoption of color film.
Color film was there from the very start of cinema but, at first, it took the form of tinted stock, hand-colored film, and a variety of other labor intensive processes. Technicolor had a 2-strip color process by the 20's that captured flesh tones to a certain degree (e.g. "The Black Pirate" (1926)), but the three strip process of the late 30's and 40's is what most of us think of as the first real color film, and it heaped even more demands on film makers. Technicolor 3-strip film only produced good results on certain limited ranges of colors, and Technicolor provided consultants to help film makers meet the stringent requirements of using this film. There was a scene in "The adventures of Robin Hood" (1938) where the grass was, famously, not the right shade of green to come out well and was therefore spray-painted the right shade of green!
Finally, it's worth noting that editing, special effects, etc. and copying from this era were all done optically, typically resulting in significant image quality degradation by the final product. Theatrical prints typically had substantially less detail than the camera negatives. Today, we often go back to camera negatives, interpositives, answer prints, internegatives, etc. when transferring a film to digital to get the extra quality. This obviously makes life more difficult for film restorers than if they simply dumped a theatrical print to digital. There are occasionally unintended side-effects of this practice too. For example, "The Thief of Bagdad" (1940) features scenes with a flying carpet suspended by wires. In the theatrical prints, the grain size was large enough to hide their presence. However, standard definition DVD transfers from the internegative made them show up easily. As surprising as it may seem if you're used to the fabulous detail in well-projected modern 35 mm film, sometimes DVD video quality surpassed the 35 mm theatrical prints of the classic era!
Given how videophiles now view standard definition DVD's, it really is surprising that, for some titles at least, DVD's showed more detail than audiences would have seen when the film debuted in theaters. Digital technology has come a long way since then, but how much higher do resolutions need to climb if we're already past the point of revealing some flaws that film-makers never intended us to see?
An interesting parallel to this is the recent trend towards hidef remasters of TV shows. A great example is Star Trek: The Next Generation. The detail in 1080p bluray is far beyond what anyone could have had in mind when creating this series for TV in the 80's and 90's. It's a fascinating show to watch in hidef. Many of the costumes and sets are fantastically detailed and finely textured. Others clearly relied on the limited resolution of broadcast video to hide their short-comings.
Film deteriorates with time, so it makes sense to use the best technology available to create digital backups. Perhaps we're at the point where films, once scanned, will never need to be scanned again. Perhaps we're not. However, it seems we've passed the point where some judgement needs to be used when deciding how much detail to present to audiences. Perhaps sometimes, less can be more.
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- jerrysievert 11y ago| For example, "The Thief of Bagdad" (1940) features scenes with a flying carpet suspended by wires. In the theatrical prints, the grain size was large enough to hide their presence. However, standard definition DVD transfers from the internegative made them show up easily. one place where this comes out to comic effect is the fairly recent release of the Batman television series in high definition. just when you're about to laugh at a tragedy, you start to laugh at the wires and ropes that made it all come together. it is quite amazing to see something that didn't intend to be noticed become so amazing. the sadness is how much of the 80's and 90's television was recorded on tape and not film, which is so much lower quality that we won't be able to restore to the high levels of the 50's and the 60's.
- devindotcom 11y agoGood comment. The TNG restoration was a work of art. You'd probably enjoy the link I posted upstream re the restoration of Star Wars, if you haven't read it already: http://fd.noneinc.com/secrethistoryofstarwarscom/secrethistoryofstarwars.com/savingstarwars.html http://fd.noneinc.com/secrethistoryofstarwarscom/secrethisto...
- AnimalMuppet 11y ago> There's a fabulous amount of information in a single 35 mm frame of film. Do we have the technology to capture it all yet? What resolution is sufficient? It's not easy to answer this. Maybe 5-10 years ago, I read that special effects work for film was being done at 4000x6000 pixels, at 48 bits per pixel. They think that's enough for working on modern film. It's probably good enough for any historical film as well. (And maybe overkill, for reasons you point out.)
- intopieces 11y agoAll of your points here are spot on. I was thinking of Star Trek: The Original Series as well when I read this article. I'm pleased that they included, on the Blu Ray, the original episodes as well as the "remastered" ones. I think in the future we'll come to regret our remasters because they make the product itself anachronistic. I'd much rather see the wires in "The Thief of Bagdad" (1940) and appreciate the film as a product of its time than to hide the work those effects artists did with other effects that themselves will eventually become dated. My only addition to your comments here is to echo your sentiment about the diminishing returns of higher definition: putting more pixels in a display doesn't necessarily result in a better viewing experience. In my small apartment, the viewing distance from my eyes to the screen is about 10 feet. Consulting the Optimal Viewing Chart[0], I find that in order to justify a 4K TV I'd need to purchase a 75-inch TV. I think 1080p restorations might be the final frontier, at least for me. http://www.rtings.com/images/optimal-viewing-distance-television-graph-size.png http://www.rtings.com/images/optimal-viewing-distance-televi...