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Yeah, they do this to any number that is listed on a business document ever. I ported my number to run through google voice, which catches only a few of them,
by djcapelis 11y ago
Yeah, they do this to any number that is listed on a business document ever. I ported my number to run through google voice, which catches only a few of them, and pretty much have stopped picking up most calls from unlisted numbers. It's sad.
The major problem with some of these issues is that if I understand it right, the phone system often isn't always aware of the source of the calls because they get routed through foreign gateways and voip and the number you see in the caller ID is spoofed and has no connection to anything.
The FCC is aware this is happening and these fall within its jurisdiction, but they're having trouble enforcing the rules.
The fact that congress is revoking the FCC's ability to enforce these rules for student loans is just bog standard corruption.
- maxerickson 11y agoIt's worth considering picking up and asking them to put you on their courtesy do not call list (not argumentatively, just ask). Even scammers don't want to waste resources on people that aren't going to convert and this is a pretty strong signal. It usually works even when you have to talk over an aggressive operator to say it.
- djcapelis 11y agoYeah that doesn't work at all, they just hang up and move on, they don't stop. No one doing these things is being paid to maintain the list or prune numbers. And for whatever it's worth, the FCC also recommends that if possible you don't pick up at all.
- maxerickson 11y agoIt's worked for me...
- djcapelis 11y agoFor a robo caller autodialing numbers listed on the do not call list against all FCC guidelines? It'll totally work with regular telemarketers, but that isn't what we're talking about here. Basically there's two things going on: Robo calling, which is restricted under FCC regulations. And calling numbers on the do not call list, which is also restricted under FCC regulations. Someone who does both... usually isn't going to stop if you ask them to. I'm curious if you've experienced otherwise, very few people report having any success with that. Most call centers who violate federal two different federal regulations while dialing your number don't particularly spend time maintaining their calling lists.
- maxerickson 11y agoYes. Obvious scammer calls, skip answering a few times, same scammer keeps calling, answer & ask, poof, no more calls. Of course it doesn't end such calls altogether, but 2 a week is a damn sight better than several a day. Do you have direct knowledge that they would not bother managing their call lists, or do we have dueling suppositions?
- djcapelis 11y agoI don't have direct knowledges of practices of companies who refuse to disclose who they are. What I'm saying comes from the fact that it just hasn't worked for the calls to my line. I switched numbers to make them stop. There's an Internet full of reports of other people saying the strategy you advocate doesn't work for them either, and the government agency that regulates the phone lines explicitly recommends against it. But we could call that dueling supicions if you'd like. And just to clarify, you're talking about a US number that's been listed on the national Do Not Call list, right? And not just regular scam calls, but calls placed by an automatic dialer and answered by an automated system that falls to a human caller only after being answered, right?
- maxerickson 11y agoHow much emphasis would I have to use to convince you that I am participating in good faith and actually understand what a robocall is and all the rest of it? The ellipsis in my terse comment was sort of grounded in why the hell else would I post what I posted, and now we are 2 or 3 rounds deep in you asking me if I'm really sure.
- djcapelis 11y agoExplicitly answering those questions anywhere would be enough! Thanks! I have no worries about your faith! Just your context!
- dspillett 11y agoI'm surprised. Picking up at all confirms that your number is valid, connects, and an adult human at least occasionally answers - this makes your number more valuable for passing on to others. There isn't much of a peer-to-peer "valid number sharing" market between companies, they protect their lists as a business asset with at least a little value, but larger groups will pass such data around their constituent parts and when a company folds whoever buys their data as a cheap asset is under no obligation to use any do-not-call list as a don-not-call list instead of a real-people-answer-here-add-them-to-the-next-campaign list.
- gambiting 11y ago>> and an adult human at least occasionally answers Funny you should mention, because that is exactly what worked for me. Every time I get a marketing call I say I'm 17 so I can't buy anything from them, sorry.
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- jandrese 11y agoConsidering that we're dealing with loan sharks trying to collect from deadbeats, somehow I don't think this is going to be effective.
- mring33621 11y agoI get robo calls that are supposedly from my own number. Caller ID is clearly not deception-proof.
- djcapelis 11y agoIt's never been. Caller ID reads whatever the person placing the call wants it to be.
- finnn 11y agoCan confirm, most VoIP termination providers allow you to set your caller ID to an arbitrary string. My cellphone doesn't seem to like it when you put in letters in it (doesn't display the CID at all), but other than that pretty much anything goes.
- vinbreau 11y agoI'm glad I'm not the only one. My father's name is the same as mine so at first I thought he was calling me, nope, robocall.