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I gave links to the funding situation for charter schools in two different states. I can give more if you want. I don't think you can claim that I have not spen

by dalke 11y ago

I gave links to the funding situation for charter schools in two different states. I can give more if you want. I don't think you can claim that I have not spent some time reading up on where charter schools get funding. You consistently respond by pointing to a single charter school. No one has ever claimed that there aren't some excellent charter schools. But why should I believe that Success Academy Charter Schools is characteristic of charter schools as a whole? Of course a school's method's can make a difference on the students. There's a entire genre of movies on the topic. I mentioned "Blackboard Jungle". Another example is the turn-around at George Washington Preparatory High School, which was portrayed in the movie 'Hard Lessons'. There's "Dead Poets Society" based in part on the teaching impact of Samuel Pickering, and "Lean on Me" is based on principal Joe Clark and Eastside High School. As a New Yorker, you should well know of NYC's history with alternative schools, which includes public alternative high schools like 'The High School of Performing Arts', which was the basis for the movie 'Fame'. But the choice of pedagogy has very little to do with the the complaints about 1) extra opportunity for graft in charter schools, 2) a general funding preference for charter schools over public schools, and 3) charter schools which are held to lower minimum standards than public schools.

ThomPete 11y ago
Those complains was based on a premise that most charter schools are like that which is what I took issue with. Again go back and read what this discussion started with. It was OP making claims about good charters beeing the exception. 1,198 charter schools in California only 6 of them are LTDs. And yes I talk about a single charter school exactly because I don't want claim what I have no data to back up with, which is what the OP did.
- dalke 11y ago
  You'll also notice that California was mentioned in the link I gave, to https://www.the74million.org/article/whitmire-5-ways-to-stop-bad-charters-from-derailing-education-reform https://www.the74million.org/article/whitmire-5-ways-to-stop... . > Whitmire: 5 Ways to Stop Bad Charters from Derailing Education Reform > 2. Charter advocates need to name names. > That’s a sensitive one. Already, charters are under attack from teachers unions and many superintendents. Why pile on by naming the low-performers among you? That probably explains why so few state charter organizers single out charters for closure. But there’s an important exception: California, home to the most robust charter system in the nation. > “About five years ago we realized we had a quality problem,” said Elizabeth Robitaille, who oversees performance issues at the California Charter Schools Association. By controlling for socioeconomic factors, the group could see that its schools tended to fall on opposite ends of a scatter graph — a disproportionate number of both high- and low-performers. The critique is that most districts don't hold charters to the same standards as public schools. You point out the only state where that isn't true. And it was put into place to address exactly that critique. So you can't defend charter schools as a whole from that critique by pointing to the one state which took that critique to heart.

by dalke 11y ago

ThomPete 11y ago

Those complains was based on a premise that most charter schools are like that which is what I took issue with. Again go back and read what this discussion started with. It was OP making claims about good charters beeing the exception. 1,198 charter schools in California only 6 of them are LTDs. And yes I talk about a single charter school exactly because I don't want claim what I have no data to back up with, which is what the OP did.

dalke 11y ago
You'll also notice that California was mentioned in the link I gave, to https://www.the74million.org/article/whitmire-5-ways-to-stop-bad-charters-from-derailing-education-reform https://www.the74million.org/article/whitmire-5-ways-to-stop... . > Whitmire: 5 Ways to Stop Bad Charters from Derailing Education Reform > 2. Charter advocates need to name names. > That’s a sensitive one. Already, charters are under attack from teachers unions and many superintendents. Why pile on by naming the low-performers among you? That probably explains why so few state charter organizers single out charters for closure. But there’s an important exception: California, home to the most robust charter system in the nation. > “About five years ago we realized we had a quality problem,” said Elizabeth Robitaille, who oversees performance issues at the California Charter Schools Association. By controlling for socioeconomic factors, the group could see that its schools tended to fall on opposite ends of a scatter graph — a disproportionate number of both high- and low-performers. The critique is that most districts don't hold charters to the same standards as public schools. You point out the only state where that isn't true. And it was put into place to address exactly that critique. So you can't defend charter schools as a whole from that critique by pointing to the one state which took that critique to heart.