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I block all ads. Full stop. I also whitelist a trimmed set of websites to allow logins. I disallow HTTP/S referrer, DOM storage, WEBRTC, and whole host of other

I block all ads. Full stop. I also whitelist a trimmed set of websites to allow logins. I disallow HTTP/S referrer, DOM storage, WEBRTC, and whole host of other things. I have not seen an ad in years, I have not suffered malware in years, my bandwidth is my own, not to be used for ad servers to serve up their dreck. The morality surrounding ad blocking is up for debate, but I do not feel guilty because there is no OBLIGATION for me to view ads. Just because you serve them up does not mean I need to view them. I don't view ads on TV, live or DVR'd. I don't look at roadside billboards or look at magazines because they contain too many ads. I don't like being tracked, seen as a means of income by fly-by-night operations, a target for malware because the ad server operators are too lazy to secure their servers because there is no ROI in server security. In short, I have a right to protect my precious bandwidth and my computers whilst on the Web.

heyheyhey 11y ago
> The morality surrounding ad blocking is up for debate, but I do not feel guilty because there is no OBLIGATION for me to view ads. Just because you serve them up does not mean I need to view them. Do you not tip when you go to restaurants (in America)?
- bsder 11y ago
  And the Japanese regard tipping as a personal insult. Your point?
paxtonUX 11y ago
not making any moral judgements, just curious, do you pay for content where possible (via donation or subscription)?
- mike_pol 11y ago
  I do if I feel the content is worth it and I currently have multiple subscriptions. However I'm not going to allow ads from any blogger that believes that because I view his content I have to support his website regardless of the quality. The claim that independent bloggers need ad revenue for hosting costs is a joke when you can get dedicated hosting for less than your phone contract, and if you want revenue, create something that is worth it, so people would want to subscribe. Also I will always block 3rd party cookies/trackers regardless.
- notjoedimaggio 11y ago
  adding one data point, yes I do. I actually think I'd be better off if I only read that which I subscribed to, i.e. less HN linked articles. It'd be a good way to curate content and save time -- if I am not willing to pay out of pocket for something, I shouldn't waste my time reading it. One baseball analyst, in particular, Joe Sheehan, has been doing some really open stuff about his newsletter, including financials, etc. It's $35 / year. I usually try to buy a couple of gift subscriptions to friends. I also donate an extra $50 because his content is just that damn good, and it would really hurt me to not have his newsletter to enjoy. (Interestingly, he only does email newsletters, no web content. Seems to be somewhat to mildly successful at it, although I have no doubt his hourly wage is around minimum.)
rayalez 11y ago
I want to ask a question on this subject. Don't websites get paid for(most of?) the ads only when user clicks through? People talk about turning off ad block "to support creators", but aren't you supporting creators only by clicking on ads? Personally, I have probably clicked on at most 3-5 ads in the years before I started using adblocker(by accident). Does it even make sense for me to turn it off if I'm not going to click on links anyway?
- ctrl_freak 11y ago
  > Don't websites get paid for(most of?) the ads only when user clicks through? Depends on the inventory. CPM (cost per thousand impressions) and CPC (cost per click) pricing models are both common in the online advertising industry, though CPM is more common with higher end publishers: https://written.com/blog/51/cpm-cpc-cpa-pricing-online-media https://written.com/blog/51/cpm-cpc-cpa-pricing-online-media
- pen2l 11y ago
  > Personally, I have probably clicked on at most 3-5 ads in the years before I started using adblocker(by accident). Does it even make sense for me to turn it off if I'm not going to click on links anyway? You'll end up clicking more than 3-5. I've been using a computer without adbock for the first time this week in the last 6 or something years that I've been using adblock. I've clicked on a lot of ads, they're too relevant. Curiously, I'm getting a lot of ads for products that I've already bought.... and I end up clicking on them to find out more info. They're just too relevant, they'll be about the thing you were thinking about just the other day -- you'll click them.
  - 885895 11y ago
    >Curiously, I'm getting a lot of ads for products that I've already bought Exactly the same thing happened to me. Prior to the purchase I had been doing a bit of web searches -- first for the family of products I was looking for (i.e. not a specific brand) and based on what I read I decided to learn more about one product specifically. Confident about its quality after having read a lot of reviews, I bought it shortly after I had began looking. Several days later I began seeing ads for the product and they kept targeting me for quite a while since then. When I need something, I will generally research intensely and make a decision in short time. Sometimes the decision will be to not buy, sometimes to buy later and at other times to buy right away. When I decide to buy later, ads are useful to remind me or to offer competing products which come out in the meantime since when I'd done my research. Ads about something I decided I didn't want are mostly annoying. Ads about something I have are always annoying. The only kind of ads which are worse are those for things which are so irrelevant that I've never even considered them.
emmett 11y ago
You've seen ads, unless you've managed to avoid almost all video content. They're just "native ads" -- advertisements worked into the content itself. It's just another evolutionary arms race...
CamatHN 11y ago
But is the an 'OBLIGATION' for them to serve you content? As such if they want to serve content with ads they have that right. You always have the choice whether you want to view their content, with ads and all. You dont have a right to their content.
- CaptSpify 11y ago
  Then they can say "hey, you didn't let us serve this ad, you can't see the content!". I'm perfectly OK with that.
venomsnake 11y ago
And I allow all adds. Haven't had malware problem in ages. And I am getting better at ignoring them. And there is always F12 to remove from the dom something that obscures the content.
lopatin 11y ago
I don't blame you for blocking ads because a lot of them are really out of hand (intrusive and deceptive) but I believe your reasoning for having no obligation to view ads is faulty. If everything is fair and square, I believe that you do indeed have an obligation to be served those ads when you're using the default medium that the content is served on (viewing the webpage). I won't get into technicalities of other methods of reading the content like downloading the content to a feed reader, or viewing TV on DVR without ads for that matter. You of course have the right to ignore the ads, but from the perspective of the content providers and advertisers, it's only fair that the ad gets DELIVERED to the reader. Because on the off chance that you might actually look at the ad, and on the off chance that you're actually interested in what you see and decide to buy ... that small chance for every reader is how the content provider stays in business.
Kiro 11y ago
What's with this hateful attitude?
- Kiro 11y ago
  I'm running several non-profit websites where I donate 100% of my ad revenue and people still treat me like I'm the scum of the earth.
JusticeJuice 11y ago
"People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you. You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity. Fuck that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It’s yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head. You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don’t owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don’t even start asking for theirs." - Banksy If you don't already know about it, this is pretty interesting http://adnauseam.io/ http://adnauseam.io/

heyheyhey 11y ago

> The morality surrounding ad blocking is up for debate, but I do not feel guilty because there is no OBLIGATION for me to view ads. Just because you serve them up does not mean I need to view them. Do you not tip when you go to restaurants (in America)?

bsder 11y ago
And the Japanese regard tipping as a personal insult. Your point?

paxtonUX 11y ago

not making any moral judgements, just curious, do you pay for content where possible (via donation or subscription)?

mike_pol 11y ago
I do if I feel the content is worth it and I currently have multiple subscriptions. However I'm not going to allow ads from any blogger that believes that because I view his content I have to support his website regardless of the quality. The claim that independent bloggers need ad revenue for hosting costs is a joke when you can get dedicated hosting for less than your phone contract, and if you want revenue, create something that is worth it, so people would want to subscribe. Also I will always block 3rd party cookies/trackers regardless.
notjoedimaggio 11y ago
adding one data point, yes I do. I actually think I'd be better off if I only read that which I subscribed to, i.e. less HN linked articles. It'd be a good way to curate content and save time -- if I am not willing to pay out of pocket for something, I shouldn't waste my time reading it. One baseball analyst, in particular, Joe Sheehan, has been doing some really open stuff about his newsletter, including financials, etc. It's $35 / year. I usually try to buy a couple of gift subscriptions to friends. I also donate an extra $50 because his content is just that damn good, and it would really hurt me to not have his newsletter to enjoy. (Interestingly, he only does email newsletters, no web content. Seems to be somewhat to mildly successful at it, although I have no doubt his hourly wage is around minimum.)

rayalez 11y ago

I want to ask a question on this subject. Don't websites get paid for(most of?) the ads only when user clicks through? People talk about turning off ad block "to support creators", but aren't you supporting creators only by clicking on ads? Personally, I have probably clicked on at most 3-5 ads in the years before I started using adblocker(by accident). Does it even make sense for me to turn it off if I'm not going to click on links anyway?

ctrl_freak 11y ago
> Don't websites get paid for(most of?) the ads only when user clicks through? Depends on the inventory. CPM (cost per thousand impressions) and CPC (cost per click) pricing models are both common in the online advertising industry, though CPM is more common with higher end publishers: https://written.com/blog/51/cpm-cpc-cpa-pricing-online-media https://written.com/blog/51/cpm-cpc-cpa-pricing-online-media
pen2l 11y ago
> Personally, I have probably clicked on at most 3-5 ads in the years before I started using adblocker(by accident). Does it even make sense for me to turn it off if I'm not going to click on links anyway? You'll end up clicking more than 3-5. I've been using a computer without adbock for the first time this week in the last 6 or something years that I've been using adblock. I've clicked on a lot of ads, they're too relevant. Curiously, I'm getting a lot of ads for products that I've already bought.... and I end up clicking on them to find out more info. They're just too relevant, they'll be about the thing you were thinking about just the other day -- you'll click them.
- 885895 11y ago
  >Curiously, I'm getting a lot of ads for products that I've already bought Exactly the same thing happened to me. Prior to the purchase I had been doing a bit of web searches -- first for the family of products I was looking for (i.e. not a specific brand) and based on what I read I decided to learn more about one product specifically. Confident about its quality after having read a lot of reviews, I bought it shortly after I had began looking. Several days later I began seeing ads for the product and they kept targeting me for quite a while since then. When I need something, I will generally research intensely and make a decision in short time. Sometimes the decision will be to not buy, sometimes to buy later and at other times to buy right away. When I decide to buy later, ads are useful to remind me or to offer competing products which come out in the meantime since when I'd done my research. Ads about something I decided I didn't want are mostly annoying. Ads about something I have are always annoying. The only kind of ads which are worse are those for things which are so irrelevant that I've never even considered them.

emmett 11y ago

You've seen ads, unless you've managed to avoid almost all video content. They're just "native ads" -- advertisements worked into the content itself. It's just another evolutionary arms race...

CamatHN 11y ago

But is the an 'OBLIGATION' for them to serve you content? As such if they want to serve content with ads they have that right. You always have the choice whether you want to view their content, with ads and all. You dont have a right to their content.

CaptSpify 11y ago
Then they can say "hey, you didn't let us serve this ad, you can't see the content!". I'm perfectly OK with that.

venomsnake 11y ago

And I allow all adds. Haven't had malware problem in ages. And I am getting better at ignoring them. And there is always F12 to remove from the dom something that obscures the content.

lopatin 11y ago

I don't blame you for blocking ads because a lot of them are really out of hand (intrusive and deceptive) but I believe your reasoning for having no obligation to view ads is faulty. If everything is fair and square, I believe that you do indeed have an obligation to be served those ads when you're using the default medium that the content is served on (viewing the webpage). I won't get into technicalities of other methods of reading the content like downloading the content to a feed reader, or viewing TV on DVR without ads for that matter. You of course have the right to ignore the ads, but from the perspective of the content providers and advertisers, it's only fair that the ad gets DELIVERED to the reader. Because on the off chance that you might actually look at the ad, and on the off chance that you're actually interested in what you see and decide to buy ... that small chance for every reader is how the content provider stays in business.

Kiro 11y ago

What's with this hateful attitude?

Kiro 11y ago
I'm running several non-profit websites where I donate 100% of my ad revenue and people still treat me like I'm the scum of the earth.

JusticeJuice 11y ago

"People are taking the piss out of you everyday. They butt into your life, take a cheap shot at you and then disappear. They leer at you from tall buildings and make you feel small. They make flippant comments from buses that imply you’re not sexy enough and that all the fun is happening somewhere else. They are on TV making your girlfriend feel inadequate. They have access to the most sophisticated technology the world has ever seen and they bully you with it. They are The Advertisers and they are laughing at you. You, however, are forbidden to touch them. Trademarks, intellectual property rights and copyright law mean advertisers can say what they like wherever they like with total impunity. Fuck that. Any advert in a public space that gives you no choice whether you see it or not is yours. It’s yours to take, re-arrange and re-use. You can do whatever you like with it. Asking for permission is like asking to keep a rock someone just threw at your head. You owe the companies nothing. Less than nothing, you especially don’t owe them any courtesy. They owe you. They have re-arranged the world to put themselves in front of you. They never asked for your permission, don’t even start asking for theirs." - Banksy If you don't already know about it, this is pretty interesting http://adnauseam.io/ http://adnauseam.io/