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Aaron, I was a homejoy customer. I am frustrated and concerned that my credit card # was sold to another company without my consent. How can users opt-out of ha
by jasonlaramburu 11y ago
Aaron, I was a homejoy customer. I am frustrated and concerned that my credit card # was sold to another company without my consent. How can users opt-out of having their data sold to flymaids (or any future ventures)? The fact that flymaids' site is a poorly-built clone of a competitor's site also makes me scared that my data is not being protected.
- nostromo 11y agoYour CC is probably safe on Stripe's servers. Which makes me wonder -- does Stripe allow entire accounts to change hands willy-nilly like this?
- johnsalzarulo 11y agoI was wondering the same thing about Stripe or any of the big credit card processors. That'd be shady.
- jasonlaramburu 11y agoAre they using stripe on the new site(s)? Looks like those have all been taken down.
- justinzollars 11y agoIf so this information should be deleted. If I were effected I would be pissed. I hope someone at Stripe responds because this is a personal data issue.
- TimSchumann 11y agoMy guess is the account never changed hands. Stripe can't really prevent a legitimate owner of an account from doing something stupid with it. At least, not until after the fact.
- carrja99 11y agoMost likely they just have the same API keys
- staringispolite 11y agoI was also thinking through which rules would apply here. (What entity owns a Stripe account? What constitutes a transfer of data? How does this case differ from say, an acquisition?) The medium article only shows info you can get from a Stripe card_id request. Not using https on that page is troublesome, but I don't think there's any evidence to suggest FlyMaids (or even HomeJoy) ever had access to actual CC information. It seems more likely that this depends on Homejoy's ToS/Privacy Policy. (Although it's certainly possible the transfer was done in a way that violates Stripe's policies, I'm just not familiar with those) Edit: It might even be the same business entity with different d.b.a names. Good discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10468161 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10468161
- noneTheHacker 11y agoYes, Stripe makes it SUPER simple for accounts to change hands. I bought a small business from a brokerage site. He transferred the Stripe account to me no problem. It was as simple as me making a Stripe user account and then him adding me to the account he used for the business and then me removing him. The entire process took minutes. It took about 3 weeks for PayPal. https://support.stripe.com/questions/change-account-owner https://support.stripe.com/questions/change-account-owner
- chris_wot 11y agoAccording to Stripe, they require evidence you comply with PCI-DSS. I'm interested, did they ask you for this?
- ceejayoz 11y agoAs long as you're using their JS solutions so credit card data never ever goes through your servers (even temporarily), PCI-DSS compliance on Stripe just means serving the payment page over SSL. https://support.stripe.com/questions/do-i-need-to-be-pci-compliant-what-do-i-have-to-do https://support.stripe.com/questions/do-i-need-to-be-pci-com...
- nerdy 11y agoExcept this article says it is not served over SSL. There's even a huge graphic with an arrow pointing it out. https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*dLlQGvWTeMTB7PT_nLDf4A.png https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/1*dLlQGvWTeMTB7PT_n...
- jessedhillon 11y agoThat could just be the last four digits. When you create a token with Stripe, you do still get those back. Conceivably, they're showing 12 asterisks and the naked last four, while retaining the token Homejoy used with you so they can recharge -- although in order to do that, they would need Homejoy's Stripe API secret.
- jmathai 11y agoDoesn't look like it is stored (only) with Stripe. The profile section of the site (per the blog post screenshot) displays some of the credit card info.
- ceejayoz 11y agoStripe's API returns the last four digits for a tokenized card so you can display them to users.
- tcdent 11y agoIt's also intentionally difficult to gain access to the customer's card number on checkout. All the server is allowed to receive is a unique token representing the customer to complete the transaction with. Pretty clever, but I suppose not impossible to workaround.
- jmathai 11y agoThanks for clarifying that. Did not know.
- nandemo 11y agoTrue, they probably don't have the full card numbers. But if the new business can charge my card, then I don't think my card info is "safe".
- detaro 11y agoIf they keep data in Stripe, you should contact Stripe about it. I'd be interested in what they have to say.