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At liberty to elaborate always sounded like a weird phrase to me. Of course he is. As a free citizen in a free society he can speak his mind freely.

jordigh 11y ago
People can choose to give up that liberty by signing contracts. :-(
- jsprogrammer 11y ago
  Not really. Do you have an example of the enforceable language you are referring to?
  - RussianCow 11y ago
    Signing an NDA takes away your liberty to disclose certain things. I'm not sure what you're trying to dispute.
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    - jsprogrammer 11y ago
      That would depend on the nature of the language of the NDA. If you have no example language, you're right, there is nothing to dispute.
      - TeMPOraL 11y ago
        That's why 'malandrew asked, "Are you at liberty to elaborate?" - in other words, "does the langauge of NDA or whatever other contract you have signed, or the risk your boss getting medieval on your ass, preclude you from elaborating?".
        jsprogrammer 11y ago
        It's a question, but unfortunately, no direct answer that can be given will really tell us about the actual language. All that can be given is someone else's interpretation of the language, which may or may not be accurate.
- BinaryIdiot 11y ago
  Well no that doesn't technically mean he gave up his "liberty", it just means he promised not to do it at risk of being sued for breach of contract. That's all. You can't be thrown in jail for breaking an NDA.
  - ChuckMcM 11y ago
    But you can end up in bankruptcy court. And of course if you're found guilty of violating your NDA that shows up in background checks which pretty much makes you unemployable in the US (in the tech industry at least). Basically it seems kind of silly to tightly define it as "going to jail", when the practical aspects of willfully violating an NDA can ruin your life (which may or may not be worse than going to jail depending on circumstances)
    - BinaryIdiot 11y ago
      > Basically it seems kind of silly to tightly define it as "going to jail", when the practical aspects of willfully violating an NDA can ruin your life (which may or may not be worse than going to jail depending on circumstances) It was specifically referred to as your "liberty" which is incorrect. I never argued that violating an NDA could or could not result in something worse than jail time.
      - emn13 11y ago
        What is liberty if not the absence of restrictions on your choices. Clearly, the repercussions described might heavily impact your liberty in that sense. (For that matter, even prisoners have some liberties...)
      - jsprogrammer 11y ago
        It's near pointless arguing actual logical positions based on real definitions here. People will bring in their own assumptions and project those onto any words you use. When a logical rebuttal can't be made, some will just downmod you to bury your arguments (as you can see actually happened).
  - 11y ago
kangman 11y ago
he could be bound by some NDA(non-disclosure-agreements) when he left.
s73v3r 11y ago
They are free to speak their mind. However, they are not free from the potential consequences of doing so.

jordigh 11y ago

People can choose to give up that liberty by signing contracts. :-(

jsprogrammer 11y ago
Not really. Do you have an example of the enforceable language you are referring to?
- RussianCow 11y ago
  Signing an NDA takes away your liberty to disclose certain things. I'm not sure what you're trying to dispute.
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  - jsprogrammer 11y ago
    That would depend on the nature of the language of the NDA. If you have no example language, you're right, there is nothing to dispute.
    - TeMPOraL 11y ago
      That's why 'malandrew asked, "Are you at liberty to elaborate?" - in other words, "does the langauge of NDA or whatever other contract you have signed, or the risk your boss getting medieval on your ass, preclude you from elaborating?".
      - jsprogrammer 11y ago
        It's a question, but unfortunately, no direct answer that can be given will really tell us about the actual language. All that can be given is someone else's interpretation of the language, which may or may not be accurate.
BinaryIdiot 11y ago
Well no that doesn't technically mean he gave up his "liberty", it just means he promised not to do it at risk of being sued for breach of contract. That's all. You can't be thrown in jail for breaking an NDA.
- ChuckMcM 11y ago
  But you can end up in bankruptcy court. And of course if you're found guilty of violating your NDA that shows up in background checks which pretty much makes you unemployable in the US (in the tech industry at least). Basically it seems kind of silly to tightly define it as "going to jail", when the practical aspects of willfully violating an NDA can ruin your life (which may or may not be worse than going to jail depending on circumstances)
  - BinaryIdiot 11y ago
    > Basically it seems kind of silly to tightly define it as "going to jail", when the practical aspects of willfully violating an NDA can ruin your life (which may or may not be worse than going to jail depending on circumstances) It was specifically referred to as your "liberty" which is incorrect. I never argued that violating an NDA could or could not result in something worse than jail time.
    - emn13 11y ago
      What is liberty if not the absence of restrictions on your choices. Clearly, the repercussions described might heavily impact your liberty in that sense. (For that matter, even prisoners have some liberties...)
    - jsprogrammer 11y ago
      It's near pointless arguing actual logical positions based on real definitions here. People will bring in their own assumptions and project those onto any words you use. When a logical rebuttal can't be made, some will just downmod you to bury your arguments (as you can see actually happened).
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kangman 11y ago

he could be bound by some NDA(non-disclosure-agreements) when he left.

s73v3r 11y ago

They are free to speak their mind. However, they are not free from the potential consequences of doing so.