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This method sort of reminds me of one of the opening scenes from Das Leben der Anderen (which is a great movie): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkRxvEjprBM htt

This method sort of reminds me of one of the opening scenes from Das Leben der Anderen (which is a great movie): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkRxvEjprBM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkRxvEjprBM

agumonkey 11y ago
I remembered those tricks but not the movie it came from. How true is this though ? even innocent people cracks down under pressure even if they rebel against injustice at first. The amount of "intelligence" and organization to protect whatever dogma a government wants to protects scared me. Noticed the check mark when the student asked for a little humanity.
- dbbolton 11y ago
  >How true is this though ? Which part? Honestly, I don't know how effective monitoring affect is per se but as a wild guess I'd say it's at least as accurate as a polygraph/coin flip. However, I think there is more weight in the idea that a story that is repeated verbatim like that is more likely to be fabricated or at least neglecting some of the truth (which is the takeaway I got from the article). Sleep deprivation appears to be a pretty popular "enhanced interrogation technique": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation#Interrogation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation#Interrogatio... But just like every other form of torture its efficacy is highly questionable (e.g. the inherent possibility of false confessions). I think sleep deprivation is particularly problematic because while it does seem to almost universally deplete the victim's willpower/resistance, it also causes a profound detriment to memory and other cognitive function-- meaning it is completely useless in cases where the victim isn't talking because they don't remember the information rather than because they just don't want to cooperate. See "Educing Information, Interrogation: Science and Art, Foundations for the Future": https://fas.org/irp/dni/educing.pdf https://fas.org/irp/dni/educing.pdf
  - agumonkey 11y ago
    > >How true is this though ? > Which part? the behavioral response. Going from angry/rebel -> submissive happened with innocent people, preferring to take a penalty rather than keeping on being treated this way. Thanks for the pdf
  - rokhayakebe 11y ago
    But just like every other form of torture its efficacy is highly questionable This one truly baffles me. Man, as soon as I find myself tied on a chair, I would spill the whole bag of beans and more. Heaven forbids they pull out the pliers.
    - dbbolton 11y ago
      It shouldn't be baffling if you looked at the examples or study I posted, because the point definitely wasn't "torture doesn't get people to talk".
      - rokhayakebe 11y ago
        I did not look into the links. I wasn't dis/agreeing, though, just saying something related to your comment.

agumonkey 11y ago

I remembered those tricks but not the movie it came from. How true is this though ? even innocent people cracks down under pressure even if they rebel against injustice at first. The amount of "intelligence" and organization to protect whatever dogma a government wants to protects scared me. Noticed the check mark when the student asked for a little humanity.

dbbolton 11y ago
>How true is this though ? Which part? Honestly, I don't know how effective monitoring affect is per se but as a wild guess I'd say it's at least as accurate as a polygraph/coin flip. However, I think there is more weight in the idea that a story that is repeated verbatim like that is more likely to be fabricated or at least neglecting some of the truth (which is the takeaway I got from the article). Sleep deprivation appears to be a pretty popular "enhanced interrogation technique": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation#Interrogation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_deprivation#Interrogatio... But just like every other form of torture its efficacy is highly questionable (e.g. the inherent possibility of false confessions). I think sleep deprivation is particularly problematic because while it does seem to almost universally deplete the victim's willpower/resistance, it also causes a profound detriment to memory and other cognitive function-- meaning it is completely useless in cases where the victim isn't talking because they don't remember the information rather than because they just don't want to cooperate. See "Educing Information, Interrogation: Science and Art, Foundations for the Future": https://fas.org/irp/dni/educing.pdf https://fas.org/irp/dni/educing.pdf
- agumonkey 11y ago
  > >How true is this though ? > Which part? the behavioral response. Going from angry/rebel -> submissive happened with innocent people, preferring to take a penalty rather than keeping on being treated this way. Thanks for the pdf
- rokhayakebe 11y ago
  But just like every other form of torture its efficacy is highly questionable This one truly baffles me. Man, as soon as I find myself tied on a chair, I would spill the whole bag of beans and more. Heaven forbids they pull out the pliers.
  - dbbolton 11y ago
    It shouldn't be baffling if you looked at the examples or study I posted, because the point definitely wasn't "torture doesn't get people to talk".
    - rokhayakebe 11y ago
      I did not look into the links. I wasn't dis/agreeing, though, just saying something related to your comment.